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    I wasn't always into music deeply though I enjoyed its company. I remember picking up a guitar for the first time when I was 15 years old (being 24 now). Maybe that's when my interest in music increased and kept my teenage mind occupied. Being in India and coming from a middle-class background, my only source of international music back then was the radio. Every night at 9:00PM, the local radio would air the feed of Top40 with Ryan Seacrest or Casey Kasem and I used to fall asleep to it. The more I recall those nights, the more I realise how significant it has been for me to ever have my doors open to this wonderful world of music. Around the same time, I came across and heard 'Gravity' by John Mayer. That changed everything. I'm sure there is always one moment in life for every single person that proves to be monumental in deciding what the rest of their life is going to be. Listening to Gravity was mine. Never was I so moved with the words being sung and the music going with it. That's when my fascination with songwriting, making music, expressing was born. My frustration with my noob guitar playing skills further motivated me to write my own words and melodies. lol That's how it began. From there, I would try to find every opportunity to sing in front of an audience. Since I was in school, most of that would be singing competitions. I guess being part of those competitions really helped me gain confidence in myself to stand in front of an audience and perform. There was no stopping me from there. And then Songstuff & John happened. For those of you who know Derek Sivers is would also know that he was an active blogger/writer as well and was open to discussions with any person who would send him a mail. I did so, seeking music advice back in 2011. He said that the best way to get better at what you do is to share it with like minded people. He suggested I find communities online. And obviously, the first one to pop up was Songstuff. I joined Songstuff in Feb 2011 (I just checked, it marked my 6 years of Songstuff just yesterday) and I was quite the excited one. John noticed. I started getting involved with more things Songstuff and we started talking more about music and what not. Back then, I had a very basic phone with internet capabilities at the lowest. I had no computer, no equipment. In fact I had no room of mine either & was living in a room with my two brothers and my mom. But I had these songs. And John suggested I put an EP out with those songs. Now, note that I'd never performed anywhere but in school and college. I had no equipment, no money and quite evidently, no sense of challenge. And John says - "If that's where we've got to start from, then let's start". I did all I can to put some money together (saving lunch money, claiming that I needed lunch money from friends lol) and then went to a studio and recorded 5 songs and called it Beyond the Door. It was just one guitar (with barely average guitar playing) and my voice. But I did it. That's the point John had all along. Use what you've got and work with it. As if there was any other choice. I put the EP out online, sent it indie radio stations all over the globe (I did get my songs aired in a handful of radio stations and podcasts in the UK, US and Japan. I think that was super sweet of the people running the shows), got a 'music video' prepared with the help of my brother. A few people in the city took notice, invited me to perform at a few places for free. Two venue owners saw me there and offered me my very first paid gigs and on I went on my journey to become a full time musician. With John's direction always being there, I continued to stay active and build my music career while in college. As you would know how it is in India when it comes to parents pressuring you to pursue a more 'meaningful profession', I ploughed on as I finished my bachelor's degree in computer science. I worked for about a year and then made the decision to call it quits and pursue music full time. My parents were obviously against it but being stubborn, I did it anyways. John and other friends helped me to be smart about it. Being a singer-songwriter in India is not exactly a financially stable option lol I had to make sure that my education loans were still being taken care of as well that nothing changes in the financial equation I have with my parents. I wasn't a kid anymore. I did have a responsibility. It's been two years since I called it quits. Looks like things haven't gone to the shits yet lol I don't plan on it to. My parents came to a gig of mine a couple of months back. Their very first gig. After years of quarrel, fights, debates and what not, my dad on his way back said "I understand what he's doing now". He's not opposed my music or has shown distaste towards it ever since. In fact, it has been the opposite. Over the years, I've got to support some of the best bands in the country. I opened for Lucy Rose and Luke Sital-Singh when they came to India. I got to perform with Christian Galvez, one of the best Jazz musicians in the world which was a life time opportunity. There is a LONG way to go. And being a full time musician is a real struggle every single day. But it's all worth it! Every single bit. Years have passed and John has continued to mentor me in my career. He's been a greater friend and has helped me in the toughest of my days even when I was at a stage where I was 'hurting' myself. And it is such a mind-boggling thing for me to comprehend how someone on the other side of the world who has never met me in person has had so much selfless concern and passion in helping me. Well, helping people. I mean, this is what Songstuff is all about. It sounds like I'm exaggerating but believe me, John is probably THE biggest reason for any success I have earned and will ever earn in my music career. I try to remember that every day. Well, that's me.
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    Hi Sreyashi Good topic. For me it has always been there. Making music was and is, as essential as breathing. Just like breathing it happens automatically, my default setting. As a kid my mum sang opera with the Scottish National Opera and the BBC, and she taught piano. So at 4 I started learning the piano. Singing was always there, so I am not sure when that started! After seeing Yehudi Menuhin on TV I was determined to learn to play like that, so at 7 I started learning how to play he violin. My mother rolled my sisters and I out to perform at social events, and I picked up the performance bug there, although even at 7 I was already performing through clubs etc. Although I kept playing both piano and violin, over the years my interest became focused on how music was composed and arranged. I started to learn other instruments so that I could understand them, and How they all worked together. Not only that, it was a challenge and it was fun. I sang with a choir and took part in the odd competition, I started to learn how to play drums and played in a competition pipe band. In our grade we won national and world titles. I learned how to play the bagpipes and played in another pipe band. All along I tried every instrument I could get my hands on, bugle, trumpet, clarinet, viola, cello... I tortured them all lol I am not sure exactly when I started writing. I know I wrote lyrics, and I know I wrote music from a very young age, but writing full songs, I am not sure? 12? 13? When I was maybe 14 or 15 I took up the guitar. My world transformed. Until that point, unless writing my own melodies, I had worked almost exclusively with the notes written by someone else, represented on a manuscript, with me interpreting and performing those notes. When I started playing the guitar I stepped away into improvisation, and playing purely by ear. I remember working on mainly rock music with some folk thrown in for good measure. Smoke on the Water by Deep Purple was many a guitarist's first notes. I remember working out Stairway To Heaven, note by note, and playing it on a terrible acoustic with a ridiculously high action. My guitar became my main instrument, saving for an electric guitar, exploring blues, heavy rock and heavy metal, funk, jazz, folk... just music every day. Soon I was learning bass guitar, mandolin, even didgeridoo! lol learning circular breathing for that wax a challenge believe me! I started playing in bands, people I knew through school, playing school gigs etc. Good fun at the time, but also good experience. My sisters both played and sang. My eldest sister sang in choirs, was a concert pianist who took part in pretty prestigious competitions. My other sister was always more interested in pop culture, Elton John being on of her favourites. Both sisters would duet on piano and singing. They were certainly an influence and through them I experienced pop and Rick music much earlier than I would have as a single child. Similarly, I had an aunt and uncle who loved music. In the 60s my uncle had become a huge Dylan fan. He used to go to gigs in and around London and record them on his 4 track recorder. The earliest Hendrix gigs, The Who, Yardbirds etc. He even had a recording of a jam between Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison lol He has so many rare recordings, in many cases the only recordings of events and gigs in the late 60s and 70s Freak scene, mainly in London and the South of England, but elsewhere too. I am not sure exactly when they started going to festivals and gigs in the USA. Nowadays they still travel to gigs all over the UK and the odd Dylan gig in the USA. (Years later the BBC made a documentary about one of his recordings, a "lost" recording of Bob Dylan in London). Both he and my aunt were friends of Sandy Denny (Fairport Convention) and Roy Harper, and they were involved in the vibrant folk rock scene in Britain in the late 60s and 70s. My uncle ran a Bob Dylan fanzine for many years and he still travels all over the world to see them. I mention my mother, sisters, aunt and uncle, because my family were a huge influence, helping to fuel and nurture my passion and interest in music. Fair to say that my interest in music was quite diverse, and that I was far more interested in how music was created than anything else. I got jobs working in recording studios, live events, played in bands sometimes professional, some times semi professionally. I rode motorcycles, had long hair, partied like there was no tomorrow, but music was always front and centre. One band had quite a large following, got loads of press coverage, played festivals and large gigs was on the brink of being signed, for it to fall away as the band imploded after a few years of playing together. A common enough story. I did session work too, that was fun. It should be said that, what little regard I had for wanting to be a celebrity died away at this time. It had never been a huge motivational factor, but for a variety of reasons, mainly being hugely uncomfortable with press intrusion on my life (even at that minuscule level of celebrity) and being recognised going down the street, became something I didn't want. So here I was, a musician and writer, who loved performing, wanted to play bigger gigs and record my music... but I hated celebrity, what it stood for. I wanted attention for my music, but no attention for me lol. A conundrum! Then I injured my spine. I went from playing gigs several times a week to lying on a floor for 18 months and what was to become decades of pain and extended periods of incapacity, operations, stacks of pain killers, injections, hundreds of hours of physiotherapy. I could no longer reliably perform. I couldn't work as a roadie, or sound crew, or even as a recording engineer. So I went to night school, got the qualifications I needed to get to University, studied and achieved an honours degree in Electronics with Music, which was mainly about designing music tech, but also using it, composition etc. I played in bands all through University, and I honed my music making skills and applying my creativity to technology and the business of music. It was a mind expanding period for me, literally. I played on TV, live gigs on radio, did my share of TV and magazine interviews, Fun years. By now I had built a lot of experience of music marketing and promotion, learned a lot about the making of an artist, managing bands, recording and producing, even the kinds of music deals around, and the ways that the music business worked, how it ticked over, common strategies etc. I had seen bands that worked inrehearsal studios beside us, go from nothing to the top of the charts in the UK and the USA, and had spent a lot of time talking with people behind the scenes, including band managers and entertainments lawyers, publishers and Record Label staff. I started work with Motorola while my musical focus turned towards what I could do at home, recording using computers, electronica, and towards the fledgling internet as a great way to meet and work with other musicians. I was producing local bands and started working with a female singer. We made chill out tracks, were getting featured on Radio One in the UK by Pete Tong and others, we were meant to be tour support for Groove Armada, things were happening again.... and then my back went again. The old injury came back hard, another few operations... and while lying on my back, still full of creativity, frustrated as hell that I should have spent so much time learning all these skills, and they were just going to evaporate away, as if they never happened, when I came up with the idea for Songstuff. If I couldn't do things myself, I wanted to help others, pass on what I had learned. The internet was still pretty new. Google didn't exist! I still made music in my home studio, I still worked with other musicians, but gradually Songstuff took over. I really enjoyed helping other musicians, connecting with people, learning about the internet, how it was used and how it could benefit bands. I transferred over a lot of skills developed in the real world for the old music business, and tried to bypass issues that the internet was throwing up, investigated what worked and what didn't and how successful bands used different strategies on and off the internet, and how they combined the two. Another mind expanding period! I added a community onto Songstuff, and the rest they say is history. I have met a load of famous people over the years, even at a very young age, and was aware just how ordinary they are (out with their sometimes exceptional, sometimes little better than average talent) We put them on a pedestal. Some remain good, untainted, others believe their own hype and really are not that nice. I've learned many lessons along the way, but amongst the most important lessons related to success, I would say are these: Always give attention to detail Be creative in all that you do (music, image, business, everything) Work to as high as standard as you can at all times Work hard Work harder Work harder still That is the essence of the work ethic that is required to make original, engaging music you can feel proud of... no matter if it is as a professional, semi-professional or enthusiastic amateur. Happy accidents occur rarely. Everything else is just noise. A long post (as if I am not known for them lol) but on a bright note, I didn't write an entire book) Hopefully it adds to your picture of who I am, and maybe even what Songstuff is. Why Songstuff is. Cheers John
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    Wow you're gonna regret asking that question. I'm gonna ramble on about myself because then I can pretend I'm being interviewed by the music press...no doubt plenty of others will...it'll get really annoying... Well, Sreyashi... It all started in the mid 70s after a chance meeting with David Crosby over at our mutual friend Joni's place in Laurel Canyon... kind of... well not exactly... it was my mum n dad's house in Moston North Manc...but Moston and Laurel Canyon were really similar except one was beautiful, sunny and smelled of sinsemilla. and one was a rainy, sh*t hole which smelled of coal, tar and garbage. Anyway...there, aged 8ish, I spent most of my non-school time in headphones listening to whatever I could find in mum n dad's record collection... mostly Del Shannon, Buddy Holly and The Dave Clarke 5. Unlike most kids, I listened thoroughly (because I'm better than everyone else), I can't stand background music. And so the spirit of music possessed me. Soon I was performing to crowds ... Usually Mr Gribbins (psychotic old pervert) class... since he thought making kids go to the front of class to sing was amusing punishment (not as much as he enjoyed putting our heads between his legs to smack our arses)...with such classics as 'Skinny Dogs' and 'Dylan The Fairground Man'. I got the bug. Later, aged 13ish, I began sketching out my master plan...literally sketching it... inventing my new band, recruiting top non-musical talent from Mr Braithwaite's (miserable old git) history class to form the ultimate rock group - 'Satan's Avengers'. And inspiration for our first shit came when my good friend Shaun (school nut job) revealed his latest creation from beneath his school blazer... DEMENTON! (An action man/ GI Joe, which had been mutilated so it was just a head stuck onto one leg)...I wrote the song immediately - Just a head on one leg, That's Dementon! Just a head on one leg, That's all! Yeah just a head on one leg, But a mind built for war, He'll tear out your brains, And eat them still raw, Built by the dark lord himself, Aaaaargh, built with pride, Are you ready to die? Let Dementon decide. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, prepare to meet his maker! This received rave reviews such as "Headmasters office!...NOW!" And so a star was born... I'll spare you the middle stuff between then and now... You asked!
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    I am looking for some feedback from the members who are into composing Rap/Hip Hop lyrics and music. I had an interesting conversation with another member as this seems to be a fairly recent addition to the forums and I was wondering what you are using when you compose your lyrics? Do you create your beats, or are you rapping over another song? Are you writing the lyrics, with nothing to guide the flow of the words and vocal? Would it help if a member(s), were to assist you with this, by maybe creating a simple track with a beat so you could use it as a guide? This could be done with different tempos or beats, something more in line with the style of music you like (e.g. Your favourite rapper). What are your thoughts?
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    Dark tapestry woven with a retro vibe. This is a pretty good start you got here. The biggest thing it needs is a killer arrangement. I would consider this: Intro V1 V2 C V3 (but make this same length as the other two verses. I would end on "Resigned to history" and go to chorus) C Instrumental (Some cool synth and/or guitar here would work) V4 (not sure you need verse 4 here; my inclination is to leave it out) C Outro Losing the second half of V3 (which is really a V4) is not going to detract at all, imo. TBH, I am not crazy about the line "But still a twinkle is burning in your eyes." By the way, you could alternately make the last line in V3 "All the battles you have fought; resigned to history" (instead of lost). It's a bit repetitious, especially in the chorus. I am not sure I would use "In the Midnight Hour" 4 times in a row. However, with a more complete production including harmonies, this might work fine. I hope this helps! Peace, TC
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    Ah yes, Stage 5. For us, at this level, on this site, I think we do experience anticipation but it is fleeting. For those of use still mired in the early stages and not taking it to the next level, I think it is that time when we feel we're ready to show the song to the world, and looking forward to what people have to say. It mixes with excitement. For me, and I'm sure others, right before that song is posted there are many things that go through the mind. Everything from "how will people like it", to "I hope it's good enough" to "I hope it doesn't get slammed" to the oft felt, but never admitted, "what if someone hears it, really likes it and wants to either use it, or have us play it/sign us somewhere". (I now not everyone feels that way but I suspect there are some that do, but wouldn't come out and say it. For those that have no desire to get that kind of recognition, your success has been reached. You want nothing more … Or do you?) Back to Anticipation. This anticipation is fulfilled when they hear the good comments about it (hopefully) or when they get some not so good comments. I call it "Quasi-fullfillment" because in almost every single case, when it's all said and done, unless something more becomes of it we only feel semi-fullfilled based on our early anticipation. Which leads to Emptiness which in turn makes us try to find an answer. The easiest option is Self Doubt. "What did I do wrong?" "What was wrong with the song?" "Why don't people like it?", "Why do only guys respond to my songs?" (that's one for me), etc… More than likely this leads to the realization that either 1) everybody's an idiot or 2) maybe I didn't do good enough. And when you think you did your best and start questioning it, it can lead to Self Doubt, Self Pity and then Depression. At that point most, myself included, get over all that and try again … back to Stage 1. But, and this is a big but, there is a chance that maybe the song was good enough, it's just that this particular site may not be the best vehicle to launch your career, and it certainly shouldn't be your only vehicle. That's when you gotta take it to the next level with really and truly getting your songs out there to be heard. And that doesn't mean only posting it on your FB or Souncloud page. That's where the really hard work comes in because you're really not doing what you'd like to be doing, which is writing and playing songs, but it's a must. The main thing you have to figure out is "What does success mean to me?" A lot of people say they just want a lot of people to hear their songs. Which is great in and of itself, but why? What's the difference between 10 people liking your songs or 1,000 people? What does it give you that makes having more listeners so important? Do you want to hear the comments from them? Just have people say the like your stuff? Because I have a feeling the only difference between having 10 people say they like your songs and 1000 people say it is that it takes longer to get to the Emptiness stage aiming for 1000. Read more in my new book "Typing While I'm Thinking"
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    Yeah... I reckon if I don't post another song on Soundcloud in the next 3 weeks ... but Tweet that I'm going to do something even more brilliant than the last... Fans will be knocking my door down ... Done it before, said it before too sorry, I know what it is to create a buzz, get the cool people talking, get the marketing done, sell out the gig... My post had nothing to do with me wanting to find 'fans' though (been through that phase)... If I'm not gigging then I'm not finding fans, you have to really put yourself out and about... and I won't be going on YouTube to do the YouTube thing either. What I said wasn't a complaint at all... it really wasn't and still isn't in what I say below. Wasn't planning on getting back into this conversation but... I stand by what I've said before...again not as a complaint, no bitterness or whatever, purely what I think is fact - If you're not putting a show on, and a really amazing show so that people are actually paying attention, you're not gonna get far. Live show or YouTube madness, same thing in that respect. If you're not prepared to be on stage, PERFORM, forget about it... What you're talking about is creating a product, and in music when you're trying to become known, a big part of that product is performance. I think it's easy to over-simplify... Having AN image means nothing if it's the wrong image, tweeting about it means nothing if you've got no one to Tweet to! If anyone is shooting for 'success' as a music artist...well that involves PERFORMANCE...get out there performing. Or be happy with a very small to non-existent following, or just be happy to be making music. Ok maybe in some small niche genres you can be a big fish in a small pond and might make music that doesn't even work live... but on the whole.... got to perform... Currently, I don't! And unless I get a band together, which would be fun but unlikely, I won't be performing. Anyone who thinks they can become even a minor success (making a living) as a music artist in most genres without performing and knocking people's socks off is...loopy (smiley face allows me to say stuff ) .... Anyone disagrees, show me examples. EDIT - To clarify... I'm talking about success as THE artist, with fans.
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    Like you, I was a rocker who wanted to be in a successful band (with albums in the stores, etc.). I was in my first rock band in high school and kept at it for quite a few years. I had some limited success as a guitarist and studio musician, and even toured in a band for a few years. At the time, I looked at this as success because I was doing what I loved, and making money doing it. Back in the 1990s bands still looked for that big record deal but the emergence of indie studios made producing records much less costly. In fact, most bands initially got distribution deals where the studio might or might not remaster the song(s). I was involved with a few records; none ever made it 'big' but I loved every minute of it. Fast forward to now. I am no longer banking dollars as a "pro" but I still consider myself successful because I am able to persue my art and make a living (I teach now for money). I was never into it for the fame thing; I just wanted to be able to do what I loved and live comfortably. If I had my way, I woulda been one of those behind the scenes musicians who were well known and respected among their peers, made crazy money, but could walk down the street without anyone having a clue who they were. The only thing I do miss is playing in front of big audiences. 1. The definition of success varies from person to person. In terms of realistic goals, no, nothing has changed. You work hard at it, and hope for a few shots of luck along the way. Rarely is talent enough. 2. My personal definition has been met. I live comfortably and am able to persue my art. I have played on the road extensively, and I am having a ball learning everything I can about studio production while I record my tunes. It would be great to have a band again but it is not my focus anymore. 3. Let's face it, there is a diminishing number of "stars" now. I have been out of the mainstream industry too long to do much more than theorize about how stars become stars in today's industry. One thing is certain and some things never change: youth is prized, and in popular music you hit it big fairly early on or not at all. Peace, TC
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    Hey there I guess you can call me Boombastic. I'm an art student aspiring to find my meaning/purpose in both life and in my career. Through-out highschool rapping was my outlet and I had a great deal of fun freestyling and writing. Nowadays most people in my circle don't like to rap or aren't really hip-hop heads in particular. Went looking for a place to share my stuff on Google and so here I am. Nice to meet you!
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    ********* Hi all - I have added an updated version of the song within the topic and left the original here if anyone wants to listen to it... Cheers ******** Hi all - it's a bit quiet in here at the moment. Finally managed to find time to sit down and try and come up with something new - started this today. I like the little middle 8 (**cough**) bit and would like to work out how to get it to fit, as it sticks out like a sore thumb at the moment. Just looking for feedback and crits on music and lyrics. Also on how the mix is sounding at the moment. Cheers https://soundcloud.com/moodman-1/midnight-hour-24022017-2235/s-TN04a MIDNIGHT HOUR (music/lyrics by Richard Tracey) V1 How do you say you're sorry When there's nothing left to say Do you feel your life has been complete When you've given it all away V2 All the questions needing answers Are just left there in the wind All the righteous and the pious Take no notice that you've sinned CHORUS In the Midnight Hour You will come alive In the Midnight Hour You'll block out all the cries In the Midnight Hour The truth is clear to see In the Midnight Hour Is when you are truly free V3 All the things you're thinking They don't make sense to me All the battles you have lost Resigned to history But still a twinkle Is burning in your eyes No time to dwell on A life built on all your lies CHORUS In the Midnight Hour You will come alive In the Midnight Hour You'll block out all the cries In the Midnight Hour The truth is clear to see In the Midnight Hour Is when you are truly free
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    Hi Welcome to the site. I hope you enjoy being a member here Janeva
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    Hi Welcome to the site. I hope you enjoy being a member here. I have a sister who lives in Melbourne. Janeva
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    Cool song idea, Richard. I like the intro and verse melody, it really sets the mood of the song quite nicely! I'm not so sure about that chorus, though. Also, the drums is a little quiet so you might wanna look into that when you make the next recording. I agree with the song structure that TC, suggested I'll save some feedback for after you post an update. All the best, Ken
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    Welcome boombastic, hope you enjoy your stay here. There are other members who are into rap already on the forums, so hopefully you will all be able to help each other out. Do you write lyrics, or do you do your own music as well?
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    Just do a video of cute kittens and have your music playing over the top. It will then go from YouTube to Facebook and will be one of the vids people are talking about and before you know it, you'll be on TV programmes, with 50 billion views and a household name. You might sell a couple of songs, but the YouTube and other income from advertising would be through the roof. If you did a song about how much you like kittens, then even better.
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    In a sense, you just gotta make people want to party with you.
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    Growing an audience takes several components. Performing certainly is a massive component to decide to forgo. Can you build fans without performance, yes, but it is like choosing to fight with your arms tied behind your backs. Normally only taken on by those with a massive budgets for radio saturation. Remember "Bros"? Their first gig was after 3 or 4 singles and album at Wembley. Obviously way beyond the reach of home musicians, just pointing out that given millions of a budget and unlimited connections you too can bypass performance lol Nowadays some use TV talent shows, not with any expectation of winning, but with the aim of raising their profile, though most of those it is their profile as a live act they are raising. Even local bands playing in bars and clubs have an image, have fans too, who can regard them with just as much devotion as bigger bands. The fact remains ALL these things are important, but the ingredients most missed, including by performing bands, are any real notion of fan engagement and building anticipation. Gigging is a fairly obvious way to build fans. At no point did I suggest that anyone would recruit more fans of your next song by making a tweet. Indeed such naivity isnt that far off a common misunderstanding. Nor did I think your point was made bitterly, Dek. I don't think your point and my point s are mutually exclusive, nor did I make a claim that performance was not desirable or advisable. You mention your age and delusional.... tbh even were you 18, the odds are so stacked against you regarding fame it is ridiculous. Any of us stands a better chance of winning the lottery. Age certainly adds additional constraints on likely markets. If big time fame is your goal, I would take good odds on disappointment. But we aren't talking big time fame here. We are talking success. Gigs are generally not overlooked or passed on by bands, though their importance is by home musicians. Indeed, gigs are often a band's first big goal. Doing nothing because there's "no real point", isn't that close to falling into the "can't fail if you don't take part" category? Sure be realistic, but if you want something I see no harm in working towards it, as long as you have realistic expectations. I think for many home artists who are scared to test their material, self conscious or a million other reasons, an excuse is what it is, at least until they can overcome a crisis of confidence or realise the perfect wave isn't going to arrive. As for us older home musicians who have been there, done it, bought the tee shirt, we can still be scared, forgetful of how important things are, full of self doubt or kidding ourselves on about our own motivations, or another million reasons, most of which I have probably suffered from at some point. Still, I think you can build a fan base. Even to the point of being able to earn a living across a number of income streams. Will that replace your current wage? I have no idea, probably not for a long time if at all. Will it be an easy journey? Unlikely. Can you make a living? Yes, it is possible, not dead certain. I don't consider this to be a discussion about becoming famous, but then that would not be my personal goal. I would think having a growing following would be an important measure of success for any artist? As to Youtube, it is a performance option. It could be used as a substitute to a degree, but better as another string to your bow. As could live streaming, but no matter what aspects of fan engagement you cut off for personal preference or perceived limitation, or personal taste, every cut further limits options in a competitive market. Currently social media is largely misused by bands who believe fan engagement means a mixture of spam and posting for no reason. There is no golden ticket. it is a bit unrealistic to think any one post or even thread would capture every aspect of such a wide ranging issue, so there is plenty room to build upon what has been said so far, and plenty for future topics Good chat so far.
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    This is a good topic - I have had this conversation recently with John, as I have no inclination to have my face on the cover of a song, or go out and play gigs. I just want to create music and put it out there, hoping someone will like it. I have wanted to do this for a very long time, but procrastination is my friend at times. One of my bucket list things is to create an album, get it produced and mastered properly. It would mean I've used my own money to do this, but it is something I want to do. Now, although I say I will never get up on stage and do a gig... I would never say never if the right opportunity came up, but again like you guys, it would have to be with a band and I really don't want to be doing cover versions, but original songs. I don't mind singing cover versions, but it does just feel like karaoke which ever way you look at it. I've watched a lot of videos of the solo performers and how they do it and everything apart from a couple of parts of the song, are all on loops, which they play with either a Maschine or Push (Abelton) or Akai - and I have to say, they do it really well. Jake Garret and Ed Shearan do this and if you haven't heard of him (if you haven't go and listen to some of his stuff it's excellent - especially Carousel), East India Youth.
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    Gotcha. I do 100% agree about needing to be a performer. And that is more than likely a big hangup for a lot of people, myself included. I played on stage one song with a band back in college at a bar. I've always been deathly terrified of playing in front of others. I still won't even record my vocals at home unless everyone in the house is gone. Although the past few Thanksgivings I have played some of my songs for the 25 or so people we have over. I will say playing on Thanksgiving has given me the feeling that I can actually do it and get over the fear. My biggest hangups though are time and family. I know my kids won't be around home forever and I hate the thought of being away from them when I could be at home doing something with them. So it's not really a hangup as much as a choice, because I love it.
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    Hello, Robin Owens. Polka dots, your cat and sparkly things, huh? Then, if you don't already do so, I suggest you play with your cat by having it chase the sparkly dot of light from a laser pointer.
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    Alas, if only you really were utopia.