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  1. 15 points
    Posting Lyrics For Critique? Then Read This! To save repeating this on a regular basis I've decided to pull it all into one topic. Please read all of this post before taking part in this board. Our critique boards rely entirely upon members reviewing each other's work. Unfortunately some writers submitting work for critique are unwilling, for a variety of reasons, to perform critiques of the work of their peers. This ultimately leads to lack of critiques and disappointment for members looking for some feedback. As a result we added a guideline for board usage - For every lyric or song you submit for review, you should try to review a minimum of 2 other lyrics/songs on that board, a ratio of 2:1. This ensures a reasonable level of reviews in response to works posted. Excuses The most common reason given for not reviewing is: I don't have enough experience to offer comments and suggestions. Lack of experience is the best argument for actually performing reviews, not avoiding them. Writers are all here to exchange ideas, and believe me, they all felt or still feel inexperienced. To help you along, and to try an explain some of the benefits to writers who perform critique, please check out this article - Lyrics Critique For Songwriters The whole premise of this article is how performing critique benefits the songwriter. Critique is not a simple "here's my comment". It's a discussion between the reviewee and reviewer to better understand perspective, discuss opinions and suggestions. Critique is valid be it from a fan, be it from a maestro. Sure it might be pitched at different levels, but that is a benefit. Songs are heard by all sorts of people with different perspectives and that is valuable. Even the comment of "I like it/dislike it" is valuable, although you have to explain why you feel that way and where necessary suggest improvements. The point is not simply to accept comments and change our work. We listen, try to understand and consider what we could do based upon observations and advice. In offering and discussing comments we all learn. I can understand being nervous about commenting, but comments and suggestions are not forcing your comments on anyone. It is your opinion, nothing more, and that is how it should be taken. The main thing I would suggest is - be constructive. Explain your thinking/feeling and aim your comments at what (if anything) would improve the lyric. It's human nature. If you don't perform reviews, other members will be disinclined to review your work preferring instead to review writers who contribute to the whole. So please, respect your fellow writers by doing your share of reviews. You might just be surprised at what you gain from it. Like so much in life -- what you get out largely depends on what you put in... We want to maintain a positive environment. It encourages an honest exchange of ideas and opinions. Constructive Criticism We are all very different individuals with broad ranging sensitivity. A poorly thought out comment, while it may not intentionally be cruel, it still might devastate someone who has tentatively posted their first song in front of people for the first time. They may also be deeply attached to their lyrics, they could be very personal to them. Please be compassionate, and sympathetic. Stretch yourself, if you must. The point is to help someone with their lyrics, not score a point for being correct. If someone does not take kindly to advice, don't force it. Be truthful but be diplomatic. On the other side of the divide, when you post your lyrics for review, don't dismiss opinions out of hand. People take time and effort to review your songs. If you do not like someone's comments, try to understand their viewpoint or simply say thanks for your opinion and don't follow up. Please don't react defensively or aggressively. Their opinion is as valid as yours whether you choose to accept it or not. You have final say over your lyrics, not them, be content with that. So we have some simple rules and guidelines... Simple Rules Original lyrics only....-- yes people really do post lyrics that aren't their own No promo -- this forum is for talking about works in progress. Treat each other with respect -- Please treat fellow members with consideration, this is a zero tolerance zone for flaming, insults, trolling, or drive-by shooting. This board is not the place for discussing the political or religious subjects raised by lyrics. If you do not agree with an opinion expressed in posted lyrics, this board is not the place to convince someone that their opinion is wrong. Please post adult or disturbing content in the "Parental Advisory" board -- People as young as 13 may be browsing our forums plus there are people with widely varying sensibilities who use this forum --Violations of this rule can result in deletion of a thread at the discretion of the moderator. Subscribe To Your Topics When you post a Lyric or Song for review, you are asking people to spend time on your behalf to help YOU. If you don't think you will have time to check back, we have tools for you. Right next to the rating scale at the top of the post is a down arrow, click that and subscribe to your topic so you will get an email if someone replies! (Also check your notification settings in your Profile Setttings) When you make a post or new topic you can also subscribe. Also you can subscribe to a board in a very similar way. My personal preference now is to subscribe to all my topics and those that I reply to. That way I am kept up to date on all my conversations. You can do this in your profile editor. Go to "My Settings" from the drop down top left next to your member avatar, under the "Forums Members Calendar" buttons. In the options panel click on the "Forums" tab Put a tick in "Watch every topic I reply to" In select "Immediate email notification" from the drop down next to the text "If enabled, choose default notification type:" Do that once and you don't need to keep subscribing to your topics Alternatively on a per topic basis: When you are already in the post editor, either from having hit new topic, reply, or using the post editor (full version), at the bottom of the post editor, there is a button titled "Click to configure post options" or similar. Expand that and you should see a check box " Enable email notification of replies?" make sure this box has a tick in it. When you hit submit this will be saved for this topic. To subscribe to a topic outside the editor, in the topic view (where you see all the individual posts listed) click "Watch Topic" button next to the add reply button at the top of post listings. Alternatively on a per forum basis: To subscribe to a forum, on the board view (where you see all the topics for that board listed) click "Watch Forum" next to the new topic button. You can then easily see watched forum activity in a number of places, and receive email notification. In Summary Play Nice Expect to work When it is said 2:1, Make the effort to do more! Be nice to the moderators, they are only trying to help
  2. 12 points
    Hey thought this might be an interesting exercise: 1. Do you sing, play an instrument or instruments? What instruments? When did you start playing? Did you teach yourself? 2. Are you in a band or bands? What is the name of the band? What do you play? What other instruments are in the band? Do you have a band website? 3. Do you write songs? Do you write lyrics, music or both? Do you have a writing partner? 4. Do you record your music? Do you use a home studio? If so what gear do you use? Do you use a recording studio? Do you have music available on the web? if so where? 5. What other roles do you perform in the music business? Management? Label owner? Publishing? Promotion? Other? 6. Are you a tech head? 7. What country do you live in? 8. What are your ambitions? 9. Do you draw/paint/write stories/computer art/dance or other creative pursuit? What are your pastimes? 10. What would you like to get out of Songstuff? I think that covers the main musical things!
  3. 9 points
    I wasn't always into music deeply though I enjoyed its company. I remember picking up a guitar for the first time when I was 15 years old (being 24 now). Maybe that's when my interest in music increased and kept my teenage mind occupied. Being in India and coming from a middle-class background, my only source of international music back then was the radio. Every night at 9:00PM, the local radio would air the feed of Top40 with Ryan Seacrest or Casey Kasem and I used to fall asleep to it. The more I recall those nights, the more I realise how significant it has been for me to ever have my doors open to this wonderful world of music. Around the same time, I came across and heard 'Gravity' by John Mayer. That changed everything. I'm sure there is always one moment in life for every single person that proves to be monumental in deciding what the rest of their life is going to be. Listening to Gravity was mine. Never was I so moved with the words being sung and the music going with it. That's when my fascination with songwriting, making music, expressing was born. My frustration with my noob guitar playing skills further motivated me to write my own words and melodies. lol That's how it began. From there, I would try to find every opportunity to sing in front of an audience. Since I was in school, most of that would be singing competitions. I guess being part of those competitions really helped me gain confidence in myself to stand in front of an audience and perform. There was no stopping me from there. And then Songstuff & John happened. For those of you who know Derek Sivers is would also know that he was an active blogger/writer as well and was open to discussions with any person who would send him a mail. I did so, seeking music advice back in 2011. He said that the best way to get better at what you do is to share it with like minded people. He suggested I find communities online. And obviously, the first one to pop up was Songstuff. I joined Songstuff in Feb 2011 (I just checked, it marked my 6 years of Songstuff just yesterday) and I was quite the excited one. John noticed. I started getting involved with more things Songstuff and we started talking more about music and what not. Back then, I had a very basic phone with internet capabilities at the lowest. I had no computer, no equipment. In fact I had no room of mine either & was living in a room with my two brothers and my mom. But I had these songs. And John suggested I put an EP out with those songs. Now, note that I'd never performed anywhere but in school and college. I had no equipment, no money and quite evidently, no sense of challenge. And John says - "If that's where we've got to start from, then let's start". I did all I can to put some money together (saving lunch money, claiming that I needed lunch money from friends lol) and then went to a studio and recorded 5 songs and called it Beyond the Door. It was just one guitar (with barely average guitar playing) and my voice. But I did it. That's the point John had all along. Use what you've got and work with it. As if there was any other choice. I put the EP out online, sent it indie radio stations all over the globe (I did get my songs aired in a handful of radio stations and podcasts in the UK, US and Japan. I think that was super sweet of the people running the shows), got a 'music video' prepared with the help of my brother. A few people in the city took notice, invited me to perform at a few places for free. Two venue owners saw me there and offered me my very first paid gigs and on I went on my journey to become a full time musician. With John's direction always being there, I continued to stay active and build my music career while in college. As you would know how it is in India when it comes to parents pressuring you to pursue a more 'meaningful profession', I ploughed on as I finished my bachelor's degree in computer science. I worked for about a year and then made the decision to call it quits and pursue music full time. My parents were obviously against it but being stubborn, I did it anyways. John and other friends helped me to be smart about it. Being a singer-songwriter in India is not exactly a financially stable option lol I had to make sure that my education loans were still being taken care of as well that nothing changes in the financial equation I have with my parents. I wasn't a kid anymore. I did have a responsibility. It's been two years since I called it quits. Looks like things haven't gone to the shits yet lol I don't plan on it to. My parents came to a gig of mine a couple of months back. Their very first gig. After years of quarrel, fights, debates and what not, my dad on his way back said "I understand what he's doing now". He's not opposed my music or has shown distaste towards it ever since. In fact, it has been the opposite. Over the years, I've got to support some of the best bands in the country. I opened for Lucy Rose and Luke Sital-Singh when they came to India. I got to perform with Christian Galvez, one of the best Jazz musicians in the world which was a life time opportunity. There is a LONG way to go. And being a full time musician is a real struggle every single day. But it's all worth it! Every single bit. Years have passed and John has continued to mentor me in my career. He's been a greater friend and has helped me in the toughest of my days even when I was at a stage where I was 'hurting' myself. And it is such a mind-boggling thing for me to comprehend how someone on the other side of the world who has never met me in person has had so much selfless concern and passion in helping me. Well, helping people. I mean, this is what Songstuff is all about. It sounds like I'm exaggerating but believe me, John is probably THE biggest reason for any success I have earned and will ever earn in my music career. I try to remember that every day. Well, that's me.
  4. 9 points
    Hey I have written a new article about lyric writing critique. Lyrics Critique for Songwriters As part of this I've put together a list of common questions that you might ask yourself when reviewing someones' work. The questions posted at the moment go some way towards a set of articles about planning and developing a lyric, but more on that later. Anyway, the idea is to help improve upon this set of questions. Feel free to pass comment, and to suggest other questions, although the idea of this set is for questions that you should be able to answer "yes" to. I will leave comments up, but I will copy new or altered questions into this post so that they remain an entire list. Genre or style specific questions could be collected together within separate topics. So... Common Lyric Critique Questions: Is the title memorable? Is there one distinct lyrical message? Is the title consistent with the lyrical message? Is the plot believable? Is the plot engaging? Is the plot a suitable vehicle for conveying the message? Does the message have a common appeal? Does the theme have a common appeal? Would the the theme and message paint the singer in a favorable light? Does the lyric have a strong start pulling you into the lyric in the first couple of lines? Is there a pay-off? Is there a conclusion? Is the rhyme scheme consistently applied? Is the meter consistent? Is the main lyrical hook consistent with the title? Is the main lyrical hook placed appropriately for the song form? Is the song form beneficial to the lyric? Do I like it? Cheers John
  5. 8 points
    It was lovely to finally meet John on a recent trip to Glasgow! (St Patricks day) It was a miserable day, Raining and gloomy, but we had a very pleasant couple of hours together, along with some other friends, drinking wine and consuming some rather good food in a splendid venue in Glasgow! I hope we can do this again one day mate! It was truly a lovely evening. And an incredible coincidence that we happened to be sporting the same hat! Cheers buddy!
  6. 8 points
    This was long due and I'm so very happy to be sharing this with you guys. Thanks for all the help that you've given me with this song so far. Songstuff sure is a boon!
  7. 8 points
    I am currently participating in my first collaborations. Here is what I have learned I am working with my first two collaboration partners. I was very unsure of how to find a partner, and I still have to see how there work out. We have several songs in process, but none is complete yet. I am enthusiastic and hopeful, but I am also amazed at how much I am learning about the process that I never even thought of before. I found it was one thing to write poems and lyrics and to work diligently to improve. But for all that hard work, and even with some gratifying results, I still had no songs, . I am not really involved in the local music scene and didin't know any songwriters. I began to tell people of my interest and my desire to collaborate with a songwriter, and ask if they knew any. I also posted some online ads for collaboration on music sites. I got several inquiries from my ad. In discussing possible collaborations, I asked to hear work that the songwriters had completed. I also made it clear that my intention was to write songs for publication and recording, that I wanted to share the copyrights equally, and also discussed what recording facilities and abilities each songwriter had, as my own is extremely limited. A songwriter from Vegas sent me some music that he wanted lyrics written for. I liked the music, and we began to work on it. He also liked one of my lyrics, and started writing music. So far only the first of these projects has survived, but we have developed a good online relationship and provided that he completes his end of the projects, as I expect, this may prove to be a productive collaboration. I also met one of my wife's co-workers, who is a local amateur songwriter. I went to listen to him play at a coffee house and liked his style. We talked and agreed to meet. We are working on four songs together, and two or three should be ready to post here within a couple of weeks. Here is what I have learned. Nothing will teach you to write lyrics like music will. . . in the same way that nothing will teach you to swim faster than jumping into the ocean. Don't worry about being anxious or nervous if it's new to you. There are a lot of talented, original musicians out there who need you and would love to meet you, They need lyrics but don't like to write them, or aren't good at it. They are in the exact same position you are - they have been working hard to learn their craft, but still have few or no songs to show for it, and have no hope, desire or inclincation to write lyrics. They are a stuck in the process as you are, and they need you and WANT TO MEET YOU as much as you need and want to meet them. Remember too, that you aren't going to write a hit song your first time, so just treat it as a learning experience for both of you and have fun - take the pressure off. Don't worry about if you are 'good enough' for your partner. There is no standard to measure against, just personal taste and musical compatibiilty. You go into it thinking it's all about the quality of your lyrics and his/her music, but more than anything, it's about the relationship and musical chemistry you develop that will determine the success of the collaboration. It's when you come out of your own musical/lyrical space and begin to mingle together in the space that is the song you are writing, that the learning begins. It's very, very stimulating and exciting. The most surprising thing I have found is how much I enjoy writing lyrics to existing music. I thought it would be hard, but the music brings you ideas, and as you write, you know exactly how it will fit the music and have a good idea how it will sound. To me that is much easier than starting from scratch. It's following, rather than leading. But the opportunity for creativity is just as great. If you try this with your collaborator, make sure you fully understand the structure of the music before you start. I make a chart showing the points (in seconds) where each structural element starts and stops, and how many bars in each. This is critical, and will keep you from getting 'lost' in the music. I hope some of this is useful. I'm eager to learn from some of you who are more experienced at this than I am. Norm
  8. 7 points
    1. Be an active participant. Online communities thrive on activity of their members. Activity helps you, and it helps our community stay useful and interesting. 2. Recommend Songstuff to songwriters, musicians and bands that you know. Keep recommending whenever you meet new musicians. More members means more experience, more activity, more things to interest you. 3. Consider making a donation. Having a budget is essential to paying for site running costs and the development of new features.
  9. 7 points
    Although this post mainly deals with lyricists, I think musicians can glean some truth. *NOTE*... Most of what I say here is subjective....This is the way I see it. I remember as a young boy, finding a well worn note binder on my mother's dresser, and being curious, I opened it and looked inside. It was filled from front to back with poems she had written; with the time written, day, and year at the bottom of each one. I sat down on her bed and started reading them. I had read about four or so, when my mom came in and caught me; mad as a hen that I invaded her privacy. After getting a lecture about how those were her private thoughts, I asked her why she never read me any poems (she read me books all the time). She said she didn't write them for other people, she wrote them to make her feel better. At the time, I didn't grasp what that really meant. Now I do. Why do we write? What is your core reason to write? There could be many answers to that, from many different people. But the core reason should always be, because you enjoy it. Other reasons might be; "because I want to get famous" or "I want to make money at it" but the core reason is enjoyment. If you don't enjoy it, you're not going to get famous and it's doubtful you will make any money. Yet there's another reason linked to the enjoyment factor (at least for me) and that is; it's therapy. It makes me feel better. I can vent anything through writing. I can let it all out, and in the process, deal with what I'm feeling in a constructive way. So I encourage new writers, don't write in hopes of impressing someone, or for getting a lot of positive reviews. Because the more you write for that reason, the less positive reviews you will probably get. If you really love writing, you WILL get better. Yet, part of getting better, is getting in touch with yourself. Write what pleases YOU and advance in your craft from there. Listen and learn from the seasoned writers, and use their input to express who you are better, in a better way than you did before. When you're feeling depressed and can hardly move; write. When you are feeling frisky; write. When you're content; write. You get the picture. Throw off your apprehension and lack of confidence, and write to feel better, not worrying about other people. And then when you decide to post, and you find you get negative reviews; don't sweat it. The core of you is in the lyric, now just reword it into a polished form that fits a lyric criteria. The more you write and take advice, the easier it gets, not only in writing a good lyric, but also in being able to reach down inside yourself to pull one out. To sum it all up; write what feels good to you, so you can feel better, and be better. Let it be your cheap form of therapy.
  10. 7 points
    I'm new to the forums so first off, hi all. I'm looking for a lyricist to team up with to make some music. I'm compose anything from Pop/Rock, Country/Rock, but I always seem to have a hard time coming up with lyrics, so instead of trying to do something I'm not good at I'm going to use my strengths in composing and singing and lead the lyrics to someone else. So if anyone could help please let me know. Also I know a lot of people have probably said this on the forums but I am starting a “home recording studio” hopefully to get in a real building and have a full studio but just got done spending a little over 2.5k on recording equipment and such (now I’m broke ). So if anyone wants to team up please let me know and we could work something out, more details about that coming soon but first need some lyrics.
  11. 7 points
    How did you get started writing lyrics? I used to write poems when I was younger but I was always so active that it was on the back burner. I had got sick a few years back so I could not be as active as I wanted, I saw a song contest online and changed some poems into a song format. I started doing that as a hobby and liked it. I have been writing since 2014. I Bought books by Pat Pattinson and Due White and taught my self song formats. Do you play any instruments or sing? I can't carry a tune and play no instruments. My only instrument is my Ball point pen or pencil. Do you like to collaborate with other writers? Yes all of my complete songs are colaborations because I only do lyrics. I have met collaboration partners on song stuff, NSAI, sound cloud and at a songwriters group at my church. if you were to describe yourself as a writer, what would you say? I like to write stories and songs that capture real emotions. I write in country, Christian, Gospel as well s pop and rock genres. I still learning formats, but copy exsisting formats to help to learn what works. Working with other musicians has helped me learn too. What kind of lyrics do you write? Country, story type songs, Christian, Gospel or several types. Why do you write? What do you hope to achieve? I write with the hopes of one day an artist picking up one of my songs and having it be played on the radio. I do have one song that an artist wants to pick up, it is currently on hold until his 2017 album comes out. it is always fun to see a lyric come to life. What interests you when you write? Life stories, conversations, things we go through and sometimes silly things. if you could write a song for an artist, who would it be and why? Carrie underwood, because I like her story type songs and she is a great singer. What are your goals as a songwriter? To make songs that are commercial but can help somebody along the way. Do you have a favorite song? Many favorites The Dance by Garth brooks is my favorite ballad type. I tend to love the songs from when I was in high school the most. There are lots of songs I love. Of your own songs, do you have a favorite? Hand Up and Dancing on a memory, although Love May come late is the one that got picked up. Do you have a favorite situation or location when you write? At night on my porch, or at church they have music rooms with pianos and instruments, my cowriter meets me there sometimes. Has being a member of Songstuff been beneficial to you? Yes it has. I enjoy getting feedback from other artist and it has helped me learn song formats quicker. I have colabarated with a few members and that has been lots of fun.Song stuff has some talented artist from many different places and have learned from many of them. Why do you take part in lyrics challenges on Songstuff? I sometimes struggle with what to write about, that helps me to focus on one topic and helps me to grow. I like the challenges because they help me to write about things I may not have thought about on my own. If you were to offer any advice to your fellow songwriters, what would it be? Try to write something every day, even if it is just one line, if you get out of the habit of writing, it is hard to be creative. If someone really likes your work, what is the best way for them to keep up with your latest writings? Sound cloud, Broadjam, Reverb and for lyrics here. I am working on building a website soon.
  12. 7 points
    Hello all! I've not been here recently as I've been very busy.After lots of work,my acoustic EP is finally up on iTunes! John and others here on Songstuff have really helped me through what may seem as a small achievement and Im ever grateful for that. As part of the release, here is the video for the first song called All I Need. I hope you enjoy(Dont forget to comment or like). If you did buy the EP in any case,please do consider giving a review. Even if not,just a line or two would be great! Thanks a billion everyone! Watch in HD: Now on iTunes: Beyond the Door EP - Mahesh
  13. 6 points
    A bit messy ATM, but here is the main bit... behind to right and left are guitars, amps etc. Just now I have an Isovox2 set up for a review instead of the usual movable baffle.
  14. 6 points
    I almost forgot about this. One of the favorite things in my studio was hiding behind the camera tripod. MUAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. 6 points
    This is my studio and vocal booth in my home which was all built by my own hands including the base traps at the rear which have over 400 holes drilled and sanded. My fingers were sore for days after lol.
  16. 6 points
    This is a picture of my studio setup at the moment
  17. 6 points
    Here's something of a tribute to John and Songstuff who've helped me in becoming the musician I am today. The other day, I was having those routine meetings with John that's been going on for 6 years ( besides the fact that every one of them feel like so lol ) talking about my career, the upcoming gigs, EP plans and of course the Songstuff stuff as well. And I realised how normal it has become for me that a Scottish man who I've never even met has become a super important part of my every day life. So I thought it'd be something interesting to talk about in a vlog.
  18. 6 points
    I can ask for help here when I need it. I do need it. I need to know about keyboards, production, mixing etc. I need to ask because I can never find anything myself here. It may be because I am poor at navigating the site. I think its because the site is hard to navigate. Really both reasons are valid, because as a long standing member I ought to know my way around. But its also true that there are others like myself who cant find stuff as well. Writing articles. A long time ago I wrote some music articles for SS. It made me check all the things I had taken for granted. As a result I consolidated what I knew, corrected what I assumed & became more informed. I feel I can drop in at any time and listen to music I had never heard before. That's wonderful. Most of all, this is a proper community. Its a place to share of bit of ourselves.
  19. 6 points
    I've been a member for like almost six years. I joined in 2011. I first started learning to record and edit my music at home in 2009. That one followed the other is not a coincidence. After much hard work, i was finally able to generate a full song production, beginning to end. On a scale of one to sucks it pretty much sucked, but it was a full song. I reached a point where I felt I wanted to hear real opinions on the songs I was making, before they were finished. I initially didn't give much thought as to whether I wanted to hear from listeners or musicians. I just went looking for places to be heard and talked about. Do you like it? Hate it? If so why? ...for either point of view. I went looking... and found this place. A venue where musicians of all calibers and styles come to listen to original songs (and even a few covers...!...) and song ideas... to offer critique, get critique, and otherwise generally live and discuss all things music. Signing up was a given. To say I am glad I joined is an overwhelming understatement. Over the intervening time since I joined, I have posted my own song offerings perhaps 13, 14, maybe 15 times. Not every song I have worked on, but most of them, and all of my most important offerings for sure. The commentary I have received from so many wonderfully talented, intelligent, and conversationally gifted members here has contributed directly and substantially to the quality of my work. ...I am free to post anything, to go far afield and experiment. And I have. I have often reworked songs after hearing the comments on them here. My work is better, and my collaborations are more rewarding because of what I have allowed the fine core group of members here to contribute to my musical knowledge and experience via their amazing input on my work. I have also enjoyed listening to the work of others, and commenting on it. Participation here is easy, positively encouraged, and welcome. As a member in good standing here, I feel I am an acknowledged part of the community, with a reputation that reflects my own contribution to the site. And this is a place where achieving that status feels good. Feels meaningful. I think this is so in large part because the people who are members here are almost all serious amateur, semi-professional and even a few professional MUSICIANS. Not visual artists. Not promoters. Not marketers or advertisers... although many of them can and are all of these things and more... but MUSICIANS. And we all talk, and share, and grow here, together. Newbies, and beginning lyricists, singers and players will be made to quickly feel welcome here. In a word? There is simply no other web site like this on the net.
  20. 6 points
    Hi everyone, been a while. This song has always been one of my favorites, but I've known for some time that I didn't nail the mix (regrettably, not before uploading this terrible version to Youtube.) I'm confident I've finally got the thing moving in the right direction, but have some lingering questions I was hoping to get some feedback on. There was way too much reverb on the earlier percussion, so I blended in some dry samples to bring it more into the room. Have I sufficiently done so? The bass had to come way up, is it on target now? Any missing notes? Did I thin out the opening acoustic too much? Both vocals were way too up front and have been pushed back with reverb/eq. Do they sit right in the mix now? Any other feedback is welcome. Some of you may recognize Janice Ho's lovely vocals, which carry the song. I can't thank her enough. EDIT: A mix update [has been removed]. A starlit veranda A table for two It's easy to pretend I'm still here with you Now it's long days And empty chairs But I don't care I sit each night Beneath an endless sky Watching memories replay I stay every night Beneath this endless sky Till the stars.... fade away I remember falling And you pulling, pulling me to the grass We got lost in the heavens As eternity passed Now the stars don't change The way we did So I sit.... Sit each night Beneath an endless sky Watching memories replay I stay every night Beneath this endless sky Till the stars.... fade..... away
  21. 6 points
    Made a video from some royalty free footage
  22. 6 points

    From the album My Artwork

    My cat Jessie
  23. 6 points

    From the album My Artwork

    3 heads of David Bowie through the years
  24. 6 points
    I don't know how many of you have visited the music shop on Songstuff. If you're like me you go to the places you are most familiar with and seldom think about what else is on this website. So I wanted to remind you that there is a shop on the site and seeing as how this is one of the few ways that the site raises funds to pay for the site I'm giving a gentle reminder. No none has put me up to this and maybe I'm going too far, but I think that the shop is not the easiest thing to remember to look at, at least for me it isn't...yet it serves an important function. I don't think most people come here with the intent to shop, so think of it as a healthy way to support songstuff to pay their expenses so John doesn't need to keep dipping into his own pockets to keep it going, and get something in return. Now I looked over there and seen a few things I'm interested in...no it's not the thong and I doubt I'll be getting the tank tops, but I seen some helpful books and other things. I'm not rich and I won't be making a huge difference, but if we all get one or two items it would make a big difference. I don't see any paypal donation logo here and as far as I know, there is no other source of revenue other than a web link or two. So don't read this and then think, I'll need to check that out...why not go over there right now and check it out?? What are we waiting for? I appreciate all of the fine people who make songstuff happen and I hope we can help it to continue!
  25. 6 points
    Here's an instrumental called "Revolving Door" that I recently finished. All comments and critiques are appreciated. Thanks. [media=]
  26. 6 points
    For some of us to be able to give a review I think it would be very helpful to know two things - 1. Was the lyric written for commercial purposes? In other words, is this something you would imagine playing on the radio somewhere, or was it written for catharsis reasons, etc.. or do you even know at this point? Having a better sense of this would make a difference in how we see words and how we interpret their intending meanings, and whether or not this lyric is something we could see on mainstream media, etc.. 2. The intended genre. I am a country writer, maybe something a little southern rockish at times, but pretty much stick to what I like and believe I know best. Rock and roll as I know it and grew up with is no more, so I don't really have a good sense of what is going on in today's pop and rock music. I believe I can see good writing, etc.. but that doesn't always mean it makes sense to me without knowing the intended audience. This is just me. I would love to critique more, but without really knowing what the writer is going for, or who he / she is going after, it makes it hard for someone like me, who in most cases looks at something and either thinks it's good or thinks it sucks, and doesn't know how to state that in the right way when trying to critique someone else's work. Thanks for listening...
  27. 5 points
    Hey all, These are song collaborations that Andy and I were involved in recently: I was more of a translator to be honest. Andy helped her out with the english lyrics. Emi Maria is an independent alternative/R&B, artist(Japanese). Hope you guys enjoy the songs, Ken/Andy
  28. 5 points
    I believe this is more common than I thought. The attitude of condescension. I've seen it in lots of places and yes, at times I've been guilty of it and needed to look honestly at myself. I am convinced that if we could see the totality of every human being in one glance including ourselves it would do two things. We would have no reason to think highly of ourselves as compared to anyone else.We would see the wonderful things about people. All people, not just a group or groups of people. Any really honest evaluation of the universal human condition takes into account the good and the bad in everyone. At the end of the day, in order to be arrogant and narcissistic we have to ignoring all the facts. One thing that grounds me is to remind myself constantly that no matter where I am or who I am with I must be reminded that I am a part of them. The minute we don't see that we're headed down the path of the Nazis. There is a very small difference in DNA between anyone on the planet and you. So small in fact, that it's hard to measure. If you're at a party in Hollywood and everyone is wearing a tux but you. You happen to be wearing a dirty t-shirt with holes in it. How would that make you feel? How would they look at you? What if you were the one in a tux looking at someone in a dirty t-shirt with holes at a high class party? In a sense you will at one time or another be both of those people. Not in that exact sense. I just used this as an illustration to make a point.In order to really connect with ourselves and with others we need to see past that. See that old man who has trouble walking? This is eventually you. Another thing to remember is that everything you have,have done or will do, you were given the ability or the resources to do it. If you made money, you couldn't have done it without the given ability. No one does something from nothing as independent . In that sense, we are more like stewards of what we are and what we have. Jesus was a probably the best example of this. He gravitated to people who were viewed as lowly. He got it. They really weren't lowly in the things that matter.
  29. 5 points
    Well here goes. I didn't dust. Please don't enlarge the pictures. Curtained area is my microphone closet among other things. There are two more keyboards in one closet. The room is too small to set them up.
  30. 5 points
    I'm not gonna bore everyone with pics of my home set-up, but I thought I'd share a pic of a good buddy's basement studio. This is someone I've been friends with since childhood. These photos don't show it all, but they'll give ya' the basic idea. This will give you an idea of how we used build 'em back-in-the-day. A common design for basement studios was... A freestanding structure, built in such a way that it only comes in contact with the concrete floor...with insulating materials lining the bottom of the fastened frame, to help control vibration of the structure. Framed with 2 x4s, exterior walls covered with drywall. Soundproofed with fiberglass insallation covered with colored burlap. Mike framed his interior with slats...gives it a much cleaner look. A more commercial version Like Nick's, would include a 3-sided containment booth to partially segregate the drums. Back then, there were no portable plexiglass booths...they were made from the same materials as the rest of the studio. Typically one-piece carpet/pad was used to cover the floor. If my head's on straight, Mike built this 18-20 years ago, but the basic design dates back to my childhood. In our early teens, we lived down the street from a big-name local DJ who also managed local groups. Nick had a more elaborate version of this in his basement...separate control room for the engineer. Mid-teens I played with a guitarist who built one of these down his basement. We used it mainly for band practice...helped control the noise a bit. Back-in-the-day I assisted in ripping down a few like this, Peter Sky's - KSHE radio to name one. Nasty job!, fiber glass partials everywhere. LOL This was how we did it in the states!
  31. 5 points
    I play guitar, and I think I'm a solid player. But, I've been playing for decades. I also don't play guitar in all my stuff - not even close to it. A guitar is just a tool to make music, and there are a lot of such tools. You get little sympathy from me, and here's why. There are zillions of people right now all over the world making damn good music would don't play ANY traditional musical instrument worth a damn at all. Let me say that again so it sinks in. There are zillions of people right now all over the world making damn good music would don't play ANY traditional musical instrument worth a damn at all. With the technology available today, you don't have to play a musical instrument to make good music. The technology IS a musical instrument, and an incredibly powerful and versatile one. Can't play a guitar well enough to make good music? Then make good music using something ELSE. Get a DAW with a library of sounds and get to work. I can assure you that getting into the music tech to make music is tons easier than learning and practicing barre chords or finger picking to the point where you sound good doing it - and then there's the further learning curve of trying to get good audio recordings of your guitar playing. You say you have these "visions" for your songs . . . this one is a country tune . . . that one is a rocker? Where have your musical visions gotten you except still stuck on square one? They aren't visions. They're mirages. Get the tech, start making music and go where it takes you. The clock is ticking. It's time to, literally, "get with the program."
  32. 5 points
    A composition begun 30+ years ago that morphed into many different ideas, most purged & lost. This is the 1st 'final' recording now that it is 98% set in stone. I thought it suited the theme of rain well, so that's the visual pairing here. Just finished the video
  33. 5 points
    As it happens, I struggle with both anxiety and depression... which is very strange for someone who is naturally optimistic, positive, and upbeat. It comes in waves and tides, occasionally floods, though sometimes it is just a puddle on a sunny day. I am also a carer for someone with bipolar type 2 and anxiety, and have been for 25 years. Music, and specifically song writing has long been my therapy, my vent, my friend. I don't tend to express my depressive side much, in conversation or in song, although I have written about depression a couple of times. I tried at least to make the songs thought provoking rather than a personal gripe. Song writing is therapeutic because it allows me to transport myself, to shift my world perspective, to think about something other than my problems. That is why it is invaluable. I deliberately chose not to exercise my own demons in song because I do not want to be defined by an illness, any more than I want to be defined by problems with my back. They are part of me, but only part. I manage both using mindfulness meditation, something I first encounter 15 years ago as a method to cope with chronic pain. I soon applied it to anxiety and later depression. Songwriters are more likely to suffer from depression and anxiety. Yet it need not be their biggest influence. Yes, they do write about sadness a lot, but that is at least partly due to listeners. Listeners use music as therapy. They use it to help them through hard times. While they do use music to enjoy themselves, music their requirement from upbeat music is simpler. The themes if upbeat songs more readily feel cheesy, over used, more one-dimensional... Sad songs allow for the exploration of a wider range of emotions, much more nuance. As such it. Is easier to write a sad song that feels pertinent, poignant and original. Even when the topic is well explored, if the emotion of the song is honest, authentic, unflinching.... it connects. Song writing is largely about connection. Writers and listeners want to connect. They both want to feel understood. They want to feel connected even when isolated. They don't want to be alone. Listeners, particularly, want to find songs that express how they feel, what they want. They want songs to challenge them, and songs that represent them. Even when immersed in great sadness, they want to find hope. Often that hope is the knowledge of connection. I think that is why so many songs are sad or about sadness. To write in a way that connects people, writers need to be insightful, to be thoughtful. Experience teaches us that being thoughtful, you are more likely to suffer from depression and anxiety. More likely to dwell on and wrestle with emotion. It serves us well when writing about. I don't see myself as sad. It is part of me, not all of me. Rob mentioned empathetic song writing. Empathy is certainly an important aspect of song writing. Willingly or not, we are the world's therapists, not just our own.
  34. 5 points
    Hey all, I'd appreciate feedback on this one. Thanks in advance. Ferry Drowsy ones and sleepy eyed Music and lyrics by Ferry Colyer Drowsy ones and sleepy eyed Make up some time, leave your beds tonight It's dark outside and it's a windy night perfect conditions to contemplate your life Here's a wake up call for you now the stars arise and the moon it draws you into its magic this time Lonely ones and teary eyed There's a band at your beds tonight they play like fire, they play like dynamite a perfect rendition to let your souls ignite Here's a wake up call for you now the stars arise and the moon it draws you into its magic this time Could you just hold me I'm willing to be a part of you Let's form a new country you'd be a part of me too Lonely ones... Here's a wake up call for you the stars are bright and the moon it draws you into its magic this time Here's a wake up call for you ste stars are bright and the moon it draws you into its magic this time
  35. 5 points
    Hi Gang We are re-launching lyrics challenges, so it might take a little time to get the numbers of members taking part to a good level.... Please invite other members and non-members you think might enjoy a regular lyrics writing challenge! The purpose of these lyrics challenges is not just fun. They are intended to expand experience, building lyrics skills and understanding, and to help each writer to make contact and collaborate with other writers. The first challenge is something many songwriters struggle with. Being positive without being too cheesey! The Challenge The first week long challenge is to write an upbeat song about or related to the season "spring". Try and reflect the feeling of spring in your write. The challenge will last 7 days, from draft to finished work. You will first post a draft in reply to this topic. Your wok will then be critiqued by other participating members. After 7 days, you will then be asked to post your finished work as a topic with an attached poll, asking specific questions (we can help you create these topics), labelled "Challenge Spring Lyrics: Your Title" within this challenge board. Post your work as soon as possible as replies to this topic. Discussion of the lyrics is an important aspect of the challenge. Expect frank and honest critique from other members, and remember, this is primarily a personal challenge. When we run a poll for each finished set of finished lyrics it is to inform you and to help you grow. So please, write your lyrics, post them as replies and then take part in the analysis and development of your own and other member's lyrics. Have fun! Cheers John
  36. 5 points
    Just started recording scratch versions of this song (not the best recording and sloppy sometimes) this recording wont be used in the final recording so I'd like feedback for the written song only (it's structure, what stuff I should take out or keep, ect.) Your feedback is appreciated finished instrument.mp3
  37. 5 points
    I challenge (or I shame, if need be) every member to make a donation to Songstuff. I just made one using the PayPal Donate button at the top banner. Yeah, I know we're all broke after the holidays. But, if I can donate something, then so can you. C'mon . . . DIG DEEP! David
  38. 5 points
    I used to love her, but i had to kill her<< best break up song of all time
  39. 5 points
    Hi Testimonials are useful comments about a site, made by the users of that site. Here at Songstuff we would love to use testimonials from our members to show to visitors who might be considering membership. If you would like to leave a testimonial about Songstuff and it's benefits simply reply to this topic with your comments. Many thanks! Cheers John PS Please reply to the Facebook post to let other members know you posted here, and / or share it with your friends. If you cannot find a Facebook post about this, please simply create a new topic on the Songstuff Facebook page linking here:)
  40. 5 points
    Hi I have started this thread as a place for the Songstuff Community to pour out their collective wisdom of valuable lessons learned and solid gold tips. There is no sense in history repeating itself, with generation after generation making the same mistakes and treading the same worn path to obscurity. Indeed, that was a key driving force in creating Songstuff. For members posting tips: To avoid valuable tips being lost, buried in lengthy paragraphs, please try to keep it to one tip per post. Where there is a strong link between tips, and it makes sense to have more than one tip in a post, please use bullet points to keep tips prominent and easy to locate. Explain what the tip is for, the exact scenario if possible. Explain why this tip is important, why it works etc. Ideally give an anecdote that demonstrates the problem the tip addresses and the tip in action. Try to keep paragraphs short and to the point. If you are adding to an existing tip, please quote that tip within your post or link to the original tip directly. Experienced members, I urge you to take this opportunity to build this thread. It'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Please note: Don't post comments or replies (unless you are adding to an existing tip). Instead, please like the posts you find useful. Please share this topic on social media and spread the love!
  41. 5 points
    The more difficult you make it for potential collaborators to connect with you, the less likely it is you'll make a fruitful connection. I would think some, if not many, who only write lyrics might not have a Soundcloud account. Plus, you're limiting your pool of potential collaborators by putting up such an extra hoop for them to have to jump through just to hear the track you want lyrics for - an extra hoop that's unnecessary. Even if your track is private on Soundlocud, you can still get the "Share" link for it by clicking the "Share" icon underneath the track, copying that link, and then posting that Share link here, and then folks here can access the private track here without having to have a Soundcloud account.
  42. 5 points
    Trust your ears. No one will enjoy your music more than you do. So musically pleasing yourself should always remain the top priority. All other considerations should be secondary. Others will inspire you. They can also help you directly with advice of course, but you are still the final judge as to what to take away.
  43. 5 points
    Tom you are the sweetest! I posted my only Christmas song last year but love to share it so here it is. I wrote it in 2005 before I knew Songstuff... as you can tell by the lack of structure and rhyme scheme and and and...
  44. 5 points
    I have been working with bands for over 5 years now and when I started I had no clue how to really promote a band. I was just a naive college freshman who thought he could be the next P. Diddy. However, I quickly found out that music promotion is not easy. Although things were hard, I stuck with it and picked up a ton of tricks and tips along the way. Below, I will share these tips and hopefully you will use some of the tactics I outline below. 1: MUSIC DOESN'T SELL. It sucks. I mean, it does sell, but not like it use to. I have gone to countless shows and have seen unknown bands, artists, singers, folk dancers, and the like try to sell their CDs for $10 or more. The result is no sales, a ton of plastic that they now own and can't get rid of. My advice for this is to bundle. BUNDLE! BUNDLE! I'll say it one more time, BUNDLE! Sell a t-shirt and package it with a CD. Sell a Poster and package it with a CD. DO SOMETHING CREATIVE OTHER THAN JUST TRYING TO SELL A CD AS A STANDALONE PRODUCT. Believe me, your sales will increase. 2: MUSIC VIDEOS ARE IMPORTANT! I hate it when I see a crappy music video. It is not that hard to make a professional looking music video. Use an SLR camera. If you don't own one, find one to borrow from a friend. If none of your friends have one, then find a friend who attends college. They can rent them for FREE from their university or community college. SLR's allow for manual focus, which gives the video that music video quality that you see from the pros. Also, join a video forum or two. Comb through it, ask questions, and perfect your art. In the end, the time investment will pay out extraordinarily. I mean, by just putting in a small amount of time, you will now be able to produce all your own music videos until your budget increases. This will give you a HUGE advantage over your fellow independent musicians who are trying to make it. 3: SEO: BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THIS. You can find many forums on black hat and white hat SEO. Let me break it down on a very basic scale for you now. SEO stands for search engine optimization. Its how you get your links to show up first when someone types something in Google on the SERPS (search engine results pages). Black Hat SEO is more relevant to musicians because it is a controlled form of spamming. White hat SEO is another form of internet marketing. This includes manually doing things and avoids the automated robots doing the load of the work for you. This is relevant when it comes to social media. I will break down the tactics below. Black Hat SEO: Here are the tools and methods I talked about above. VIDEO PROMOTION: there is this awesome tool called TubeAssist. It allows you to make several YouTube accounts, like a video, and then automatically send the video out in a message to targeted people. For example, if you're target audience are Lil Wayne’s fans, and then you can collect users who commented on his video and target them. Opt for the 10-account package. With that package, you can send out 30,000 messages a month. It works. It really does. Breakout videos don't go viral on their own. They need a boost. TWITTER: Twitter is a great way to get new fans. WE ALL KNOW THAT. But a great way to get people to follow you is by following them. Well this tool automates the process. For $12 a month, Manageflitter will allow you to do this. Say your target audiences are fans of Mumford & Sons. Well you can automatically start following people from their page. Wait a couple of days. And then automatically unfollow everyone who doesn't follow you. Believe me, this is great. You can pick up real active followers this way super quickly. Usually businesses employ tools like this, but every artist should too. MAGIC SUBMITTER: Need a way to own the Internet? Post relevant blogs, videos, and press releases quickly? Magic Submitter is the way to go. It takes some time to set it up, but after you have set it up, you can automatically upload your relevant news and new music videos (that you have taught yourself to film) up to over 500 websites. Its things like these that get you more organic traffic and help build your fan base. I have always done this with artists, and believe me, it works. You should also get an account with Captcha Sniper. You know those little words you have to type in that are impossible to read? That is a Captcha. Well for literally dollars, captcha sniper integrates with magic submitter and will solve the captchas for you. Now it really is automated. White Hat SEO: This is a manual method for internet marketing. Below I will outline tools and methods to make this more efficient. HOOTSUITE: Hootsuite is free. It’s awesome. And you need to sign up for it. You can manage your social media through it. The greatest add on (which is also free) is INBOXQ. It allows you to create a stream, add 3 keywords to each stream (up to 4 streams) and every tweet that contains those keywords will show up. More tweets than you can handle usually pop up. We use two people just to manage one twitter account at a time. However, this is a great way for you to connect with new fans. Type in key words like (new hip hop song) (find good music) (find new music) and so on and you will find people who are dying to hear new music. Well I think that music should be yours. So, the key is to look out for the relevant tweets that pop up and reply to them. Start conversations with the people and convert them to be your fan. Social Media: Interact, interact, and INTERACT! This is how you build a great and active fan base. ACTIVE fans are the ones who purchase your merch, listen to your new songs, and tell friends! So above are some of the tactics we have used in the past and still use. Try them out and see the influx in fans you get. I promise if you put the work in, you won't be disappointed. Heath President Build My Band, Inc.
  45. 5 points
    Um, to make this one difficult for you, my sincere answer will be, yes. All of the above except the piano part, I don't play it much. My ideas come from all kinds of situations and times, with or without instruments. I simply don't know when or how they will turn up, but turn up they do. I then record them and store them for later. That's it. This is a question that many have asked and will continue doing for the rest of our time. The answer is always the same, there's no formula. Well, in all honesty, whatever works for you is the formula if there'd be one. Ideas turn up, whenever they want to, no matter what you do really. Some must work hard for it, some don't, some get them at work, far from any musical surroundings, some need to be always playing/singing to get them. The various scenarios in how a tune comes to life are endless. S
  46. 5 points
    CapM and I post a lot of heavy rock, hard rock, and even the occasional metal type songs, asking for critiques. I do not wish to speak for CapM, but as a simple matter of observation, I can attest to the fact that he offers critiques on songs that fall outside his typical area of interest. So do I. Whenever I post a song here, I try to do at least 10 critiques. If I only offered comments on songs that lie within the range of my tastes in music, I would not be able to do 10 critiques in a month. I feel the same would be true for CapM, as well. Both CapM and myself also post critiques during times when we do not have a song on the active boards. So it is that we both do many, many more critiques than we post songs. We are glad to do it. Purely guessing, I'd say our respective ratios of songs posted to critiques given is Me: maybe 8 or 9 to 1 CapM: maybe 10 or 12 to 1 .....both of these could be higher... I honestly don't know. I critique country songs, electronica songs, new age music, pop tunes, folk, contemporary adult, rap, reggae, one plus one's... Here's my questions: 1, Do you critique songs that are not a part of what you like to listen to? 2, Do you think you have a responsibility, as a member of the community, to listen to songs posted here, and then comment and/or critique? 3, If you post songs here for critique, do you then only provide the required two or three critiques you must, in order to be allowed to post a song, or do you comment on more songs than you have to? I look forward to your respsonses.
  47. 5 points
    Hey Thought I'd post these here as a useful reference: Song Building Blocks The Power Of Song Hooks Creating a Song Title Adding Color and Richness to Common Chords Build-A-Song Part 1 - The Idea Build-A-Song Part 2 - From the Idea to the Hook Build-A-Song Part 3 - Free Flow Build-A-Song Part 4 - Cadence and the Beginning of the Melody Build-A-Song Part 5 - Creating Hit Melodies Build-A-Song Part 6 - Tips for Tunesmiths Build-A-Song Part 7 - The Emergence of the Verses Build-A-Song Part 8 -- Finishing Touches Commercial Songwriting Commerciality, Familiarity and Originality Getting A Staff Writing Deal Songwriting Tips Striking The Right Chord Take It From the Bridge To Leap, Or Not To Leap (That Is The Question) Writer's Block Writing Jazz Songs Lyric Writing Improve Your Lyrics Writing Lyrics - Function and Form Lyrics Critique for Songwriters
  48. 5 points
    I have listened to a lot of songs here on the forum here. I have listened to and created amateur/semi pro music for most of my adult life. And I have come to a really simple, yet critical, conclusion: Most of the stuff we hear and create (on forums like this and other amateur formats) doesn't have a good melody, or in pop terms, a good hook. Now, I know that this is common talk. We have all heard the lecture, read the book, taken the class online, watched a youtube tutorial...you get the picture. We have had the word "hook" indelibly etched into our songwriting conscious, even going into our subconscious. We have been told that without it, we will not grab the attention of our listener. Without the hook your audience will change the channel. They will click elsewhere. In other words, they will not listen. I hope this doesn't sound preachy. I'm just really passionate about this subject. I am in the continuous hunt for the hook in any song I start. I have a boatload of bits on my phone that I have to scan through on my next writing go-round. I hum, beat, sing, play and talk through song ideas on my recorder app. I hope you do the same. I will listen intently to each one again and again. Most I will cut because I don't get a rise from the hook. My ears need to fall in love with that little line or lines that will have me obsessing for the rest of the project. There are some songs that I have written that I am sorry I spent so much time on because I chose to love my idea rather than follow the Rule of the Hook. Ralph Murphy said hit songs usually have five to seven repetitions of the title, but he cautions not to overdo it. And those repetitions need to be a fit and trim and wonderful as possible. What kind of litmus test do you put your songs through? Do you trust that the melody, or the hook, is something that anyone will want to whistle or hum, even if they don't particularly like the subject matter?
  49. 5 points
    Hi..I recorded something and I need your comments on it..Thank you.. [media=]http://soundcloud.com/soundontape/gelgit-emre-nuhoglu
  50. 5 points
    Hey all, Been busy quite a few hours doing this song. I've tried to vary a lot. Unexpected changes, a conversation, riffs in the middle of a verse and so on. I'd like to know what could be improved in all respects. Thanks for listening, hope you'll enjoy! http://soundcloud.com/ferry0123/wheels-turning-round-copyright Wheels turning round Music and lyrics by Ferry Coljé Copyright 2012, All Rights Reserved You may think I'm down but you're wrong cause it's my time I know you'd rather see me fall but you got me so high Is it you that's kidding yourself With all these thoughts about destruction? One might think you'd need some instructions I want to see your wheels turning round with you behind the wheel, wearing a crown You think life's a bitch, but I think you act like one I see you struggling for you don't feel any fun It is the kid you lost in yourself with all these thoughts about destruction? you complicate the complications "Are you okay?" "Yeah, I'm okay" "What's been keeping you so long?" "Well, I don't know... I was wrong.. I just love it when the sun won't shine" I want to see your wheels turning round with you behind the wheel, wearing a crown My oh my, what you're trying to do to me? Can't you even lift your eyes to see? There is no escape if you close your mind and still you keep telling me everything is fine Ooh, I want to see your wheels turning round with you behind the wheel, wearing a crown with you behind the wheel, wearing a crown with you behind the wheel, wearing a crown with you behind the wheel, wearing a crown