What Makes A Chorus Worth Repeating In A Song

[williamsdaro]

i don't really know, is like i am getting confused. I thought if the lenght of a chorus is short then it is repeatedly sang in a song. But if it is longer it is taken once.. PLease i need help while is it that,some chorus are sang once while others are sang twice in a song..

[TapperMike]

Tom,

Just got to say that your responses are spot on

[williamsdaro]

thanks TUNE.......for your effort and time.. What i am trying to say which i don't really get clearly is that some lyrics in a chorus are sang all over again to making it the second time of singing it..

E xample.

You never took a time to know me.

You never took a time to unerstand,

that loving you is all i ever have.

You never took a time to know me.

you never took a time to understand,

that loving you is all i ever have.

If you see here, this lyrics is repeated twice in this chorus.. What if when singing this lyrics and i decided to stop in the first paragraph. Does it mean the chorus or lyrics is incomplet or too short..

Thank every body for your comment and time once again..

[john]

Hey

Okay, a few points to mention. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's so unlike me!

The reason a chorus or refrain (a chorus is a type of refrain) is repeated is that commonly, the chorus delivers the main lyrical message. As ever with songwriting there is no such thing as always.

Confining myself to just deal with lyrics in isolation, which is in itself an unnatural and unrealistic situation, verses tend to fill out the back story, be that a story, a collection of statements to evoke emotion, or detail that conveys imagery. A chorus delivers the key message, modifies the meaning of the verses and generally contains the main lyrical hook, and often that hook is the title (yet again I stress not always, in fact far from it).

Hooks are intended to be memorable. They hook the listener. They are the bit that people are most likely to remember.

Some hooks are naturally fairly memorable, others we have to work at.

Repitition in lyrics, text, melody, rhythm, imagery helps make something memorable. If you want your song to be memorable you employ repetition to underline the hook, the message.

Think of it this way. If you write a protest song, no matter the back story you want the listener to take away and remember the key message. So you place it in a prominent location (yes some are better than others) and you repeat it. you repeat it. you repeat it. At least 3 times.

This little repetition trick surrounds you, mainly in the form of advertising.

There are other tricks to help memorability. Contrast, competition, alliteration, rhyme, abstraction. strong imagery, strong emotion, color... it's a fairly long list.

Repeat a phrase and it will stick

We want our listeners to remember our message. So we...

Repeat a phrase and it will stick

Sounds simple, and it is.

Repeat a phrase and IT WILL STICK

All the more so now that I used full caps and bold to further underline (hey work with me, I'm stuck in the medium of text only....)

It works even better when you can inject emotion, something emotive yet unexpected, a number, a color or an image. Say these lines out loud (I just made them up) but try not to remember them:

Two dark eyes crying bright blue stars

I still remember how in awe I was

She had

Two dark eyes crying bright blue stars

So sad

Two dark eyes crying bright blue stars

Did you get a visual from that? Does it mean something?

Psychology and music is a very strong way to express something (only thing stronger is when you add an actual image or moving image along with the music and words. that is why advertising works. That is why you remember certain songs. that is the main reason the music business wants to get songs played multiple times. It's less about reaching more people with subsequent plays and more about repeating the song for those who have heard it before... though ideally the music business wants both new listeners and addicted listeners, with addiction coming from repetition.

in the above verse you are not supposed to remember, the lines that aren't repeated are far more likely to be forgotten than the repeated phrases. That is precisely why the main hook, the main message and using the mechanisms I mentioned can be so powerful for songwriters when repeated. Add in the repetition of melody and it's even stronger.

All that said, a subtle variation of one or more of the elements even once in a song can make the message even more memorable as long as that happens after some repetition of the message has occurred.

So. Now I ask you... can you remember the repeated lines I asked you not to remember?

If so, then the psychology of the lines worked. If not, can you remember any elements of the lines? ie can you remember anything of what was mentioned? If so the psychology used to write those lines has worked but could be more effective. How about the non-repeated lines, can you remember them? Some of you might but most would probably only have a vague notion.

If I now repeat them a couple of times, there is a good chance you would remember the gist of the lines tomorrow.

Sometimes writers will repeat a chorus just as you said williamsdaro, because of laziness, lack of creativity, or because they were pressed for time. Sometimes it is an unwitting thing. Sometimes a writer just naturally does it because they are conditioned to do so, just as listeners are conditioned to expect it, and that helps them become comfortable with your song.

The unexpected has a strong effect only when contrasted by setting up the expected in the first place, although sometimes you can use what is generally expected, but that yet again works best if you deliver some of what is expected. Sheesh, now I am probably warbbling. lol

Can you remember the repeated line now?

It would be an interesting experiment to see how many did remember those lines tomorrow! lol

The answer is, there is no right answer. Just what is more likely to work, and what is less likely to work.

I hope this helps.

John

[williamsdaro]

thamks all, I really enjoyed your comments. Now i know why lyrics are repeated in songs. Thanks very much..

[mrun213]

i don't really know, is like i am getting confused. I thought if the lenght of a chorus is short then it is repeatedly sang in a song. But if it is longer it is taken once.. PLease i need help while is it that,some chorus are sang once while others are sang twice in a song..

I kind of play it by ear. I usually won't repeat a chorus in a song if I feel it's too long. It kind of depends on a few other things as well for  though, such as does the chorus sound good enough to be repeated or would it be exhausting to hear it again.

[Brad Barnett]

i don't really know, is like i am getting confused. I thought if the lenght of a chorus is short then it is repeatedly sang in a song. But if it is longer it is taken once.. PLease i need help while is it that,some chorus are sang once while others are sang twice in a song..

You shouldn't be looking at it from a length perspective.  It's all about how it sounds.  Every song will sound better using different lengths and times repeated.  Sometimes my band repeats a chorus 3 times, or even 2 and a half.  It all depends on what we think works best for the song.