Virtual singer

[Didier]

Man, no offense but that is really bad! = English version.

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Thanks, I wanted opinions. "Strangers in the night" is one of the worst.

But "La vie en rose" and "L'aigle noir" are different. They sound more (to my ears) like bad recording/editing of a real singer than coming from a computer.

Didier

[Didier]

Hi Steve,

I think this could be a useful tool for those of us that aren't Dan of Pilfa confession box.  As a songwriter that can't really sing, I am continually frustrated with myself. If I could get this software to do it for me, I would be quite happy.

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Thanks for a different opinion.

There's a lot of confusion, usually, between composer and singer/instrumentist. Because, I guess, most heroes of "modern" music have been both.

Having said that! I think it has a long long way to go before that becomes a reality! At the moment, I see this as a useful tool for backing vocals.

Yes, backing vocals.

But I was more thinking of a tool for a composer. Not (obviously, given the current state of the art) to make final recordings. But to make demos, test ideas, etc.

Didier

[FinnArild]

We should all also remember that all new revolutions have triggered tremendous negativity from the established groups.

- Moving Jazz into the eletrical era (Miles Davis).

- Using synthezisers (A lot of bands)

- ... I bet you can come up with more ...

[tgrover]

anyone got some music with this on..... i would love to hear it.....

I agree with the boxes that keep singers in tune etc when recording but i cant see how you can make a song with singing without a singer..

Thats is the heart of the song and i dont think that aspect of it should be fake.

Defintely something that i cant i see taking off.

[tgrover]

But i would never disrepsect someone from using it if for instance you have no singer and it really is the only way. But i think the outcome would be pretty stale

[Steve]

But i would never disrepsect someone from using it if for instance you have no singer and it really is the only way. But i think the outcome would be pretty stale

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I guess like any instrument, practice is the key!If you become proficient enough with the program, then there is no reason it shouldn't sound pretty good!

I still think that having an 'auto tune' is worse than this. Alistair pointed out that a British Girl band 'Girls Aloud' (?) sound OK on a recording, but out of tune and crap on TOTPs. I think if you are going to call yourself a singer, one of the requirements should be an ability to sing!

[FinnArild]

I guess like any instrument, practice is the key!If you become proficient enough with the program, then there is no reason it shouldn't sound pretty good!

I still think that having an 'auto tune' is worse than this. Alistair pointed out that a British Girl band 'Girls Aloud' (?) sound OK on a recording, but out of tune and crap on TOTPs. I think if you are going to call yourself a singer, one of the requirements should be an ability to sing!

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I tune myself - and most recording artists do these days. The reason it is more neccesary than before is that all the instruments are getting so more in pitch too - all synths and the guitars have Buzz Feiten Tuning system. A voice which before sounded ok will now sound out of tune.

Also: I mostly sing in key, but I'd rather have a good emotional performance than the exact key - so I tune it a bit instead of doing it 20 times (which kinda kills the emotion). I just do it so you don't hear it's done.

[euphoriamorning]

sorry didier, i didn't mean to tread on your toes dude

i wasn't po'd as my last post on this sounded honest mate! - i find it ain't too easy to articulate yourself sometimes in this cosmic world of mere text..

when i am recording, it mostly takes me umpteen takes to get my vox down and on the money, but i'm satisfied to listen back and know i gave it everything i could.. personal acheivment n' all ya know..

i would say this software is cool for formulating ideas/demos - rock on to that - but as a substitute urrgh.. horrible!

[Didier]

sorry didier, i didn't mean to tread on your toes dude

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No issue, I wasn't wearing my blue suede shoes

when i am recording, it mostly takes me umpteen takes to get my vox down and on the money, but i'm satisfied to listen back and know i gave it everything i could.. personal acheivment n' all ya know..

I try to make not that many takes, but concentrate very hard on each take. I.e., I press record when I think I can do it (but I do umpteen rehearsals before that). And I normally don't do punch in/punch out. If I fail, even at 10 seconds from the end, I usually start from the beginning again.

Didier

[nigel lawry]

good topic mr Didier

to me it sounds like an intersting software as i am a non-singer but a writer.

trying to get your message accross often incures more than words/music..

i think a simulated example of what a writer is trying to create is a good idea

it gives the real singer an understanding of where a writer is coming from

altho it may sound cold compaired to the real voice

ya just can't win them all