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14 minutes ago, symphonious7 said:

but I don't see a movement worthy of the 60's happening I really don't.  

 

I have to say I do see it, in my mind. The quick is about 4 or 5 or 6 years ago I personally got disgusted with the internet. That's after spending a life time of loving technology. First with the atari then my first Texas Instruments computer in 1981 and never looked back. Always wanting and loving the next new thing. There are a lot of reasons to like the internet and what it does, but there are also a lot of reasons to dislike it. For me, the reasons not to like it outweigh the good. It's a "humanity" thing. The writing is on the wall of where we are headed. Automation continues to swallow jobs. There is talk of a "universal wage" (i.e. welfare) to help. The techies in charge say, 'nah' new jobs will just open up. But considering the main feature of tech is to "do more with less" I don't know what those jobs would be, neither do they. I have hope it won't be as bad as it could be but I'm not sure that's the case. And automation is just a small slice of the "trouble pie." At some point people will have to ask just how much do they want to be controlled by technology. Do we all really need chips in our bodies to open doors at the office like they currently do in some countries? The current "fad topic" of fake news has been present on the net for many, many years. It's not a new thing. It's not a good thing, yet people still flock to Facebook to read their news. Or at least to read the news that's slanted the way they want to hear it. So I'm going to stick to my theory of the day when people wake up to it all. The day people really get disgusted and realize that in the end, it's not worth it. Life is better without it. Many things need to be done. But I could see a window of 4-5 years of a sort of anti-internet/anti-tech Hippie-like movement. Especially with the rise of the legalization of pot. With hopes that people chill the f*ck out and lose their boners over technology. I know technology isn't going away, but the ways it's being used need to change. I could just chalk it up to being an old codger, but considering my love to technology throughout my lifetime, that's simply not it.

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35 minutes ago, symphonious7 said:

I actually fully agree and disagree at the same time, though it's a little difficult to explain what I mean.

 

Great post. But really, it is, in honesty, deserving of just one observation from me....

 

FINALLY! Someone who can be as long winded as I can be!

 

Mwa-hah!

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Just1L said:

But I could see a window of 4-5 years of a sort of anti-internet/anti-tech Hippie-like movement.

 

Man, I wish I could agree with this. As I do with the idea that legislation to legalize pot is on the rise. The Florida Congress is already destroying the intent of Prop. 1 on the recent ballot. Seems that old, cracker republicans simply cannot abide the idea that anything but alcohol be used to mar one's perception of reality. But to be honest, bro, I think Ridley Scott and Masamune Shirow are, perhaps, the greatest unrecognized prophets of our time.

 

And the world of the too near future they describe is one I will be glad to not be a part of.

 

Just let me live to see humans on Mars (In 2032 I will be 70) and I will be content with my lot after that.

 

 

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On 4/23/2017 at 2:47 PM, Rudi said:

Beer. Until I was 40 I hardly touched lager. I was into uk style real ales. Yes the hoppy stuff. That gig we played at the Wickham Beer Festival, and they gave us flagons of beer to take home at the end (they couldnt store it) was fantastic.

 

Wow. That doesn't happen every day. If I showed up in Philadelphia with a truck load of beer and said i needed to get rid of it, I would probably be mobbed :) Just put a FREE BEER sign up there. Probably should run after you do that.

 

Symphonious7 those are some great thoughts and perspectives. I get the general feeling that there isn't much air in the sails of the younger generation. What you say seems to re enforce that notion. I sometimes wonder if it's the tech as Just1L mentioned that's a real contributor to that.

 

I have Amish neighbors on both sides of me. I'll try to be brief. They don't have electricity.They live life with almost no technology.

 

I was in an Amish hardware store the other day and the intercom system was a 2" PVC pipe that came right to the cash register and ran from there all the way to the back of the store. When the clerk wanted something she would squeeze the bulb of a bike horn into the pipe and talk into it where "Amos" could hear and respond. It was kinda funny- " BEEP BEEP" we need a bag of mulch.

 

I see a lot of things living in a strongly Amish community. I notice a HUGE contrast compared to the mindset of the typical English American young person. One of my neighbors is 22 years old and married. He just moved in. I kid you not in only three weeks he has- Ran a new fence, built a horse barn, cleared his land, moved a large shed to another location, moved a very large bush. He has a day job too. He's a stone mason.

During that same amount of time a 22 year old english youth somewhere sat in front of the TV and ate Cheetos while checking his homies out on the phone.See the difference?

 

 

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I think the difference is, getting the youth of today to hear and see what we had growing up. There are a lot more 'kids' getting into older bands and music, especially in the UK. You see them at concerts and our Top 100 albums not long ago were full of old albums, not anything new. This is because people are buying or streaming albums and they have re-entered the charts. That shows how the change is probably there and growing.

 

The problem is the record companies and the radio stations/TV stations who constantly tell us who we should listen to or like. Yes, we had that to a degree years back, but not to the extent as we see now.

 

I can see a change coming in the way we experience music and films. It has to change, or we will get to the stage where people won't do it if there is no way of making money. A hobby doesn't pay if it is your main source of income.

 

There will be deals and tie-ins coming that will make it worth your while purchasing music and films again, even if it is digital still. The uptake in vinyl has taken the music industry by surprise, so it might give them the kick up the butt they need.

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7 hours ago, Just1L said:

 

I have to say I do see it, in my mind. The quick is about 4 or 5 or 6 years ago I personally got disgusted with the internet. That's after spending a life time of loving technology. First with the atari then my first Texas Instruments computer in 1981 and never looked back. Always wanting and loving the next new thing. There are a lot of reasons to like the internet and what it does, but there are also a lot of reasons to dislike it. For me, the reasons not to like it outweigh the good. It's a "humanity" thing. The writing is on the wall of where we are headed. Automation continues to swallow jobs. There is talk of a "universal wage" (i.e. welfare) to help. The techies in charge say, 'nah' new jobs will just open up. But considering the main feature of tech is to "do more with less" I don't know what those jobs would be, neither do they. I have hope it won't be as bad as it could be but I'm not sure that's the case. And automation is just a small slice of the "trouble pie." At some point people will have to ask just how much do they want to be controlled by technology. Do we all really need chips in our bodies to open doors at the office like they currently do in some countries? The current "fad topic" of fake news has been present on the net for many, many years. It's not a new thing. It's not a good thing, yet people still flock to Facebook to read their news. Or at least to read the news that's slanted the way they want to hear it. So I'm going to stick to my theory of the day when people wake up to it all. The day people really get disgusted and realize that in the end, it's not worth it. Life is better without it. Many things need to be done. But I could see a window of 4-5 years of a sort of anti-internet/anti-tech Hippie-like movement. Especially with the rise of the legalization of pot. With hopes that people chill the f*ck out and lose their boners over technology. I know technology isn't going away, but the ways it's being used need to change. I could just chalk it up to being an old codger, but considering my love to technology throughout my lifetime, that's simply not it.

I feel as if we are looking at the same thing from different angles but we're both seeing it.  It's just an inkling I have, like... this has to be building up to something, I doubt any huge revolution ever looked very possible, but the discontent is high, things are spinning out of control, perhaps in all that madness someone somewhere will snap and WHAM.  Something new is born.  Only time can tell, I don't feel like I'm necessarily capable or not capable of starting such a movement, it depends on if my character can grow enough to transcend my ego, and the cause can outweigh my fears, but in the same way that Joey Ramone did in the 70's, I have this feeling like "Well, I don't see anyone else doing it, so I've at least got to try" and that's what I do, holding onto this vision of a future I want to see, but trying to stay open to the fact that I have no crystal ball, and everything is in God's hands.  I used to think I WAS the one who'd do it, the ONLY one capable when I was younger, now that I can honestly say "Whether it's me, whether it's someone else, I just want it to happen" makes me feel like I may be a step closer to the right mindset.  

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4 hours ago, Richard Tracey said:

 

I can see a change coming in the way we experience music and films. It has to change, or we will get to the stage where people won't do it if there is no way of making money. A hobby doesn't pay if it is your main source of income.

 

This.  Someone has to want the change in culture and attitude more than they want the payday that goes along with it.  

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Who knows, it might be happening now. The backlash against the new Harry Styles song seems to be rising. People seem really pissed off about the blatant copying of other more successful songs, something that seems to be happening a lot more now.

 

For what it's worth... I actually like the song, although it is so much like so many other songs crammed together, it is a lot more interesting than I was expecting. You can clearly see he was influenced (cough!!!) by Bowie and that is coming over from all the comments I have seen.

 

Where is the originality in the mainstream? Will we ever see anyone taking a chance anymore? Does every rapper now need to sound the same? Does every female artist have to wail and sound like Mariah and Beyoncé? Does every male artist have to be a major knob? Who knows, but it seems to sell!!!!

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13 hours ago, Richard Tracey said:

Who knows, it might be happening now. The backlash against the new Harry Styles song seems to be rising. People seem really pissed off about the blatant copying of other more successful songs, something that seems to be happening a lot more now.

 

For what it's worth... I actually like the song, although it is so much like so many other songs crammed together, it is a lot more interesting than I was expecting. You can clearly see he was influenced (cough!!!) by Bowie and that is coming over from all the comments I have seen.

 

Where is the originality in the mainstream? Will we ever see anyone taking a chance anymore? Does every rapper now need to sound the same? Does every female artist have to wail and sound like Mariah and Beyoncé? Does every male artist have to be a major knob? Who knows, but it seems to sell!!!!

I can't believe I forgot about this, it DOES seem to be happening in Brazil!  They've had this emergence of crazy cool bands that in my opinion ARE of the calibur the old bands were, well... one of them is and the others don't seem too far behind, I haven't even been staying on top of it there could be more at this point.  But my favorite is "O Terno", I call them "Neo 60's Psychadelic Brazitish Blues" lmao but for real, I flipped out when I first heard them, told my mom and like everyone I knew haha, it's just hard for me to keep up the excitement when I can't find much info on them and they don't sing in english.  

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder how these guys would have done if they'd been american or british.... 3rd album just got released and it's the best one yet IMO, and just like all the others I never hear a bad song, no no no.. I never hear a song that doesn't have SOME kind of amazing element and seem masterfully executed is what I should say.  It's... I think it's on the level of the greats, but how would they be doing if they sang in english and lived here?  Beats me haha gives me hope though, this IS happening on the earth right now, them vibes are going out man....

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On 4/27/2017 at 7:25 AM, symphonious7 said:

I wonder how these guys would have done if they'd been american or british.... 3rd album just got released and it's the best one yet IMO

 

These guys' stuff is fresh, no doubt. Culpa was my favorite, but all three tracks do have nuances of earlier bands and sounds. I even got whiffs of Zeppelin in there now and again. All with an overlay like it was filtered through Ska. Thanks for the tip.

 

I've seen a lot of originality coming from bands from all around the world. One of the great positives of the interweb is that it has allowed us (mostly) cloistered Americans and Brits to experience the music of many, many other cultures. Especially when it is the work of new, young, innovative bands and artists.

 

Big, complicated, convoluted cultures often develop a tendency towards inertial resistance to the new. In American politics right now, there is a huge schism between the left and the right, with both sides believing they are true devotees and adherents to the one true way. I find it funny, in light of this, to see so many institutions that one might label as being oriented towards the left, such as those that market what constitutes much of "pop" music these days, mired down by a rampant conservatism in terms of how they try to foist the same rehashed crap on us all, year after year. The very institutions and companies that are supposed to be paragons of the Avant Garde actively fight against change. This example repeats through all facets and levels of society. It's both hilarious to observe, and absurd to consider.

 

In so many of these cases, I find myself glad that America and Britain, and other large, tidally locked cultures, are NOT the whole world.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, RobAsh15 said:

such as those that market what constitutes much of "pop" music these days, mired down by a rampant conservatism in terms of how they try to foist the same rehashed crap on us all, year after year.

 

I tried to find a clip of David Crosby on this subject but failed, but he appears on 'Classic Albums Anthem To Beauty Grateful Dead' saying (as close as I can remember) this of music in the 60s>

 

The music business wasnt created for us. It was created to sell an endless stream of sh1t such as wHITE cHRISTMAS'. When we recorded, we felt like guerrillas running down from the mountains and sneaking our music in there, and running back again....

 

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So the media tzars have reclaimed full control. It has been since the 80s at least.

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34 minutes ago, RobAsh15 said:

 

 

 

These guys' stuff is fresh, no doubt. Culpa was my favorite, but all three tracks do have nuances of earlier bands and sounds. I even got whiffs of Zeppelin in there now and again. All with an overlay like it was filtered through Ska. Thanks for the tip.

 

I've seen a lot of originality coming from bands from all around the world. One of the great positives of the interweb is that it has allowed us (mostly) cloistered Americans and Brits to experience the music of many, many other cultures. Especially when it is the work of new, young, innovative bands and artists.

 

Big, complicated, convoluted cultures often develop a tendency towards inertial resistance to the new. In American politics right now, there is a huge schism between the left and the right, with both sides believing they are true devotees and adherents to the one true way. I find it funny, in light of this, to see so many institutions that one might label as being oriented towards the left, such as those that market what constitutes much of "pop" music these days, mired down by a rampant conservatism in terms of how they try to foist the same rehashed crap on us all, year after year. The very institutions and companies that are supposed to be paragons of the Avant Garde actively fight against change. This example repeats through all facets and levels of society. It's both hilarious to observe, and absurd to consider.

 

In so many of these cases, I find myself glad that America and Britain, and other large, tidally locked cultures, are NOT the whole world.

 

 

Whoa that's a point I haven't even noticed, you're right, the most "progressive" people have the music that has PROGRESSED the least haha.   And O Terno may be a hodge podge of lots of different 60's sounds, but I can never just pin them down to any really, and every song is completely different, and every song makes large statements with structure and instrumental choices that are truly their own.  That's all I'm ever really looking for in a band, mix the styles in a new way, make a large impact 90 percent of the time (even the greats have their stinkers) and keep evolving with every record.  

 

But yeah ultimately we have no idea what the musical future will hold, I just have always had this feeling I was gonna see it change in the coolest way imagineable, it's just a hunch, but I'm gonna believe in it :)   

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its likely up to the likes of us, not that it would not take a lot of luck too, to move music forwards. The major artists are probably just going to rehash everything we know endlessly.

 

 

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I recently wrote an article on how music influences culture. A lot of it ties into this derailed discussion....no problem. I kinda like most derailed discussions :)

 

My question would be, what is it you want to see happen exactly?  It seems like that answer might be different for different people. 

 

Some of my guesses would be we want to see society as a whole get really excited about music  again, or is this only a movement that includes what you designate as youth? Depending on your age youth can be 20, 30 or older. 

 

Is it only one genre you want to see advance? Bowie was used as a reference and successful Brazilian band. Or is this one of those things that you'll only know when you see it?

 

What are we getting excited about? If you look back music usually has some kind of a catalyst good, bad or neutral, but it has a catalyst. It might be the younger ones saying to society, this is OUR music, we claim it. This is the catalyst for them. It happened in the 50's and continues up until now. Every generation wants to break free from a perceived mold. Call it rebellion, call it individuality, so long as it's different and cool. Heck it started in the 30's. here in the US.

 

If you notice each preceding generation mostly only relates to the music that was hip when they were younger.

 

I get in occasionally with some artists who either teach or play in the symphony or both. Many of them have spent their entire lives learning to play one instrument well. That culture has continued to prosper right alongside of the counter culture or what happens to be hip at the time. I have to say that from a knowledge standpoint they have the others beat hands down when it comes to taking music apart and putting it back together again. That "culture" has more solid foundations than counter culture music for the long haul. Why is that?  Most musicians will tell you that no matter what kind of music they end up playing their solid music training has helped it.

 

If we have already taken rock and pop to their limits back in the 70's and onwards, all we can do is continue to follow that recipe. Aside from technology I believe we have maxed out the expression principles. Still many variations on the theme to be had. Technically The theme itself is the same though.

 

And what did Lennon "imagine"? I want no part of it...Orwellian society. There's no war because the whole world is under a dictator. Kill all of those who disagree. Not what I Imagine.  I hope whatever our youth decide to follow it has a foundation. Not some rock star  idol who blew his brains out. These were usually NOT happy people.

 

Look at the catalyst and decide if you want to be a part of it.

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It was obvious that the media thought they understood how modern music worked cyclically.

 

Any new generation's youth culture would provide the 'next big thing'. It didnt matter what it was, it was supposed to speak for youth who would spend money on it.

 

They were wrong. Artists now often look back 50 years for inspiration. Others dont look beyond TV talent shows. That media model was always a flawed concept. So they have fallen back on what they used to do, which is to take control. Result? utter pap.

 

Musicians are also responsible for the pap of course. Even some of my music has a pap factor, which is my fault.

I suggest we operate a pap-factor appraisal system in the critique areas. It could be on a vote button maybe?

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Good thoughts Rudi.

 

I like that man!!!!!!! "pap-factor appraisal system". GENIUS!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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Loved that Starise, very thought provoking, and I've never truly thought about it with all those angles in mind.  

 

I want to see young people get excited, old people get inspired, uptight people lighten up.   I wanna see people dance for fun and not to look cool or be sexual.  I want to see people's hearts awaken to good messages, instead of spiraling further and further down into a depraved state of carnal and materialistic messages.  I want the sense in the youth to be "Guys we have to love each other" Not "You have to learn to love yourself".   I guess it IS a hippy movement I'm after.  

 

I see substance flying away, I see character disappearing, I see honesty being traded for facade, I look back to these people from 30 or 40 years ago and I say "THERE.  There we still had SOME semblance of reality, it wasn't always perfect but it was SOMETHING."  And truly... what do we have that could at least slow down this juggernaut of soullessness?  Cause in my opinion, soulless music makes soulless people.  Music has a HUGE affect on how a society thinks, and when we have a generation who thinks Little Wayne is a poet and the Beach Boys are cheesy boring old people music, I see a dumbing down of the soul there.  I am NOT of the opinion that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I believe that beauty is in the eye of the creator and the creation can become blind to this beauty as it rubs more and more mud in it's eyes.  

 

Anyway... I want to see something cool exist and have a voice again, something I can latch onto, something I can look forward to and have a handful of bands I'm just waiting for their next albums, watching their every move, loving their every interview, digging their ideas, and seeing other's sort of, wake up and go "Whoa, forget that crap I was listening to THIS is where it's at!"  Nothing inspires ME anymore.  I want to PERSONALLY be inspired honestly, that's the biggest thing.  I mean some of those brazillian bands come close, but just... why should I have to travel back 50 years to find stuff that truly excites me fully?  Or travel to brazil and listen to music in languages I don't understand?  I see why the lightbulb is getting dimmer I really do, I just... it's not over yet man.  It can't be.  Something WILL hit those airwaves that blows my mind with every single song over and over and over, it's gonna happen.  

 

You may saaaay I'm a dreamerrrrr.... but I'm not into that Lennon sceeeene anymore than you areeee.....

 

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Oh and I can stop if we wanna go back to the literal listening devices theme haha sorry guys I'm very.... I trail alot...

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Good honest deep thinking coming from you symphonious7. I like reading your thoughts.

 

Nah, don't worry about the subject matter of the thread. It was getting boring comparing headphones.

 

I like that you're energized by the passion that we need to GET energized.

 

Music as a drug of sorts  releases dopamine to the brain. It taps into one of our pleasure centers...or this is what was supposed to happen. I think that maybe that part of some has been dulled by relentless use of it, much like any other thing. OK in moderation. Too much and we deaden to it. Or for those who are older, maybe a  memory conjures it all back up again. Music might have been part of a memorable cocktail of events and/or substances. It seems a shame to break something I consider so important down into such a simple mix. 

 

Music is more than that since in addition to the dopamine it can have a spiritual or emotional significance.Sometimes it's only the dopamine part minus the emotional spiritual part. When combined with certain images and cultural inertia music can be highly violent, highly sexual, highly spiritual, highly emotional. In either the right or the wrong hands it's a truly powerful tool.

 

Add to this a generation that seems to be looking for leadership. Someone "in the know" who can confidently take things in a solid direction people want to follow.Even if it's only a momentary escapism from reality. They want to be led to a happy place, a confident place. There are exceptions. Some people want to be intentionally led to a dark place and they will seek musicians who are going there. I could never really figure that one out but I can't deny it. Kind of a kindred spirit of darkness.

 

Music from the heart doesn't always lead. Sometimes it only conveys a state of being. Those who follow bands and certain musicians are following something. Good leaders usually have an overabundance of self confidence. As one example ,Eddie Van Halen doesn't lack there. No holding back, no hesitation. Belief in the direction and follow through.

If it's a facade it's a really convincing facade. Confidence in ability. To me though the inner mission should drive it. Usually it doesn't. Ego maniacs can appear to be good leaders.

 

In order to connect with a whole generation of people, they need a reason, usually a collective reason to follow one individual or band. Sometimes it's all too apparent, they are making it up as they go. They don't have a clue and it might be that quality that attracts the audience.Life improvisation, music improvisation. We at least have the present to create. They fall flat on their faces. The audience says, " hey, that seems a lot like me".

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That making it up as you go thing really hits me, that's how artists like Hendrix and Janis Joplin would hit me, like people would go "Give us all the answers!!" And they'd say "If I have any answers it's only cause I'm as much a part of this ride as you are, I'm not a guru I'm tool"  And yeah that's me paraphrasing something I think they MIGHT have agreed with haha who can say, but it's the sense I get from that time, these people were cool cause they were honest and confident, not all knowing or enlightened.  

 

Oh and that's not tool negatively.  I mean like, "an instrument of the higher power" or whatever they may have believed in, most people were spiritual in some way at that time.  

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I see your point.

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This is too serious. Time to get it crunk.

 

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Had to come make an update. I hate to bring this back onto topic when you all have taken it so entertainingly off topic. However...

 

I just bought a 2005 Cadillac STS-V. 469 HP, algorithmic shift, ^ speed automatic trans. Goes about 900mph... no, seriously, it really goes that fast

 

As relates to the OP, it also has a 6 speaker, true surround, Bose stereo and CD player. Sounds just fab. Easily the best car stereo I've had in a car in decades. Sounds like the very best systems I used to build in the late 70's and early 80's... deep, old school bass, extra crispy highs... not a lot of emphasis on the mids. The kind of mix that used ot make 80's hard rock and metal sound really ferocious. Can't wait to hear a CD of my stuff playing in the CD.

 

So anywho, my overall listening experience just took a couple of double steps up the ladder in terms of quality.

 

 

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STS-V. 469 HP

 

As we used to ask back-in-the-day, how many gallons-per-mile? ;)

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10 hours ago, RobAsh15 said:

As relates to the OP, it also has a 6 speaker, true surround, Bose stereo and CD player. Sounds just fab. Easily the best car stereo I've had in a car in decades.

 

I'd love to go to a car sales forecourt and just try out the sound systems. Drive away whatever contained the best one.

 

Does it cruise control at 900 mph?

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You had a Cadillac before right Rob? Is this a replacement for the other one? Will you ever be going in the house now? Oh you mean the "smiley face" EQ curve? Sounds like a really nice ride.

 

I'm still going back and forth between a Toyota Corolla and a Nissan Murano AWD, infinite shift transaxle technology. The Nissan has the bose stereo in it. Most people buy the Rouge. The Murano is a notch above that.I drive the Toyota when the price of gas goes up ( you UK'ers call it petrol I think?) I usually need to take a bunch of the bass away in the Toyota. The factory system in it is way too bass heavy. If I want to hear my mix on a basic OEM factory system it's great for that.

We have a Toyota Avalon sitting in the driveway too. Seldom drive it. Nice car. It's a keepsake from my wife's deceased father. I think the Japanese tried to copy American Luxury cars right down to the sound systems. The radio in it sounds just like the ones in those big older GM cars. Lots of bass, pleasant bass though. Could fall asleep to it. It's a 2004 I think. I keep trying to get her to sell it. She won't for sentimental reasons. It's nice to take out for a ride once or twice a month to keep it in shape. 

I'm in the Toyota Corolla today. Bought it not for frills, but economy. Does the job ok. 149,000 miles and no smoke. I use synthetic oil and change it regularly.. I like the simplicity of the car. I guess it has grown on me since I've had it. 38mpg. Highway mileage. The Murano gets 19mpg. 

 

Cadillac STS 469hp? 15mpg?  It is fun to feel your teeth being almost pulled out of your head on acceleration I'm sure :)

 

 

 

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On May 1, 2017 at 10:55 AM, symphonious7 said:

I want the sense in the youth to be "Guys we have to love each other" Not "You have to learn to love yourself".   I guess it IS a hippy movement I'm after.

 

I think it's gotta be both. I think if you can't love yourself (who you are) it's damn near impossible to really love each other. If more people were confident in themselves, to the point they really didn't give a rats ass about others, but at the same time let those others be who they want, we all get along. People will never all love each other or love all the things other people do. While the thought is great indeed, the reality is a different story. I do think deep down everyone has the ability to love each other but where it ends is when people consider their version of what is right versus what is wrong. That's when the divide starts. When people view something as wrong or different, yet are told they must conform, the divide widens. An Iron Fist telling us all to do it the way it wants or be punished will always, eventually, lose its grip on the public. Besides, if everyone is on the same page, the book is short and boring. It's more like a leaflet. 

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A fellow I know on another forum (yeah, I'm a tart, but at least I'm a own-up tart) says that our phones & computers are listening to us the whole time. It certainly does happen with smart TVs, that's been a news item.

 

So.... what we need are phone apps, and programs to stream our music back to whoever it is that is so interested in us. I know they are only looking for opportunities to harvest more money, but we are only trying to spread our music, so it all balances out nicely. 

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53 minutes ago, Just1L said:

 

I think it's gotta be both. I think if you can't love yourself (who you are) it's damn near impossible to really love each other. If more people were confident in themselves, to the point they really didn't give a rats ass about others, but at the same time let those others be who they want, we all get along. People will never all love each other or love all the things other people do. While the thought is great indeed, the reality is a different story. I do think deep down everyone has the ability to love each other but where it ends is when people consider their version of what is right versus what is wrong. That's when the divide starts. When people view something as wrong or different, yet are told they must conform, the divide widens. An Iron Fist telling us all to do it the way it wants or be punished will always, eventually, lose its grip on the public. Besides, if everyone is on the same page, the book is short and boring. It's more like a leaflet. 

I don't think people are any more capable of choosing to love themselves than they are choosing to love everybody else though personally.  I think both are outside of our willpower's grasp, the key will be an intervention from God, which I fully believe is on the way.  But that's just my theory, your thoughts on the matter are very relevant.  

 

Up there I saw Starise talking about cars and their stereos, I have a toyota corolla myself and I can't get it to sound good at all!  I don't know if it's the eq settings or that I have just destroyed the speakers with all the blasting I did in my early 20's haha   Regardless it's always like... you hear all these deep bass and crisp high's in the house, get it in the car and it's like "MID MID MID MID MID" I try to mess with the eq and it just gets weirder lol  The system is from 96 though and it came with the car so... can't expect too much I guess

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21 minutes ago, symphonious7 said:

Up there I saw Starise talking about cars and their stereos, I have a toyota corolla myself and I can't get it to sound good at all!  I don't know if it's the eq settings or that I have just destroyed the speakers with all the blasting I did in my early 20's haha   Regardless it's always like... you hear all these deep bass and crisp high's in the house, get it in the car and it's like "MID MID MID MID MID" I try to mess with the eq and it just gets weirder lol  The system is from 96 though and it came with the car so... can't expect too much I guess

 

I've had multiple cars through the years and the stereos aren't quite as great as they used to be. Although my current car is the best so far so it could all be turning around. The car I previously had wouldn't play the bass if it was below 15-20 degrees outside. I'd have to drive for about 10-15 minutes before it all warmed up and played well. Considering I live about 5 minutes from where I work and the car is what I use to help me mix, it was horrible for that. I will say though it does have a USB port to play music from. That is a life-saver for me. I used to have to burn a CD for each version of a song I wanted to hear in the car. I went through a lot of CDs needless to say. Now with the USB, it's great. Even if the sound quality isn't as good, it's good enough to let me know what I need to hear better or turn down.

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