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Richard Tracey    252
45 minutes ago, Rudi said:

 

It looks as if this has become a 'lets re-define arrogance' exercise so Symp can feel justified, or at least better about it.

 

Arrogance encompasses ignorance, or at least empathy. The only way you can justify arrogance is if you are genuinely superior to everybody else. 

I believe this to be a contemporary social condition. Modesty and good manners exist to help keep this sort of thing in check, but both have been eroded. So now maybe arrogance now doesn't look too bad after all?

 

 

Thats why I broke it down into the two - ignorance is just arrogance gone too far.

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HoboSage    1,932

Well, I think we are all justified in thinking we are superior to everyone else.  But thinking you're superior doesn't justify acting like you're superior, unless in your superior wisdom you conclude you need to for their own good - which no doubt is often the case.  There, I just justified arrogance by grounding it in compassion.  As you may have guessed, I have kids.  ;)

 

 

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Rudi    572
3 hours ago, Richard Tracey said:

 

Thats why I broke it down into the two - ignorance is just arrogance gone too far.

 

I see how you reason that, buts its not correct. You can be arrogant and still fully informed.

 

BTW when I said encompass empathy I meant ABSENCE of empathy.

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symphonious7    142
4 hours ago, Rudi said:

 

It looks as if this has become a 'lets re-define arrogance' exercise so Symp can feel justified, or at least better about it.

 

Arrogance encompasses ignorance, or at least empathy. The only way you can justify arrogance is if you are genuinely superior to everybody else. 

I believe this to be a contemporary social condition. Modesty and good manners exist to help keep this sort of thing in check, but both have been eroded. So now maybe arrogance now doesn't look too bad after all?

 

I think it's more like I was just applying the wrong term to what I was doing.  Starise really hit the nail on the head with it being an overactive overly bored brain, and no I'm not trying to necessarily feel "better" about myself.  I more or less just like to take my deepest feelings and put them on the table for analyzation.  Often times you find others relate and can even help you figure out yourself, which is pretty much what happened with the thread! haha  But yeah like you just said, arrogance would mean I felt SUPERIOR, I don't struggle with feelings of superiority.  I more or less just need to learn how to truly focus on what others are saying instead of kind of listening while still going on my own thought train, and then trying to get them on it with me.  Gotta let others steer the ship too right? hehehe

 

On 7/14/2017 at 0:53 PM, Pahchisme Plaid said:

@symphonious7, if its any consolation to you, I find your posts quite entertaining--at least how I imagine you to be based on how you write out your thoughts.  You remind me of my younger sister somewhat.  Your excitement over things is endearing.  However, I get to read it at my own leisure and that makes a difference.  I am one of those people who gets sensory overload.  I like deep subjects, not so much superficial ones, but sometimes, depending on my mood I participate.  

 

What I remember of my sister, who now lives away, is that I was used to how she was when we grew up together, but then she tried out a life event that took her away for awhile.

When she came back, it was like, "Whoa! I've got to get out of here!"  With her movements, constant conversation and animation and engagement in a small space was more than I could handle for long periods of time.  The house was sooooo quiet when she was gone and so filled with commotion when she came back--the difference knocked me off my kilter a bit.  That's more about my limitations than her behavior.

Yep, that's me!  I talk with my hands, I speak with a loud intensity, I cackle when I laugh, I can make people uncomfortable by staring a little too deeply in their eyes, and yes it's because I'm so over the moon about Jesus! hahaha  We can't get too involved in that aspect of it though I want to respect the rules of this forum, but it's so funny that ALL the simililarites are there.  What's cool is that as I practice listening, while it is kinda hard at first, (I'll think I'm really bored) it's never long before something kinda... shifts in my focus, and then I start to REALLY hear what the person is saying.  Then I begin to learn things that AREN'T already in my head, and it kinda... sticks with me for next time, I'm noticing my demeanor getting calmer all the time.  It's like you gotta have it proven to you over and over "Your thoughts are not the most exciting thoughts" but in time it DOES sink in.  Cool stuff, thanks for that @Pahchisme Plaid

 

16 hours ago, Rob Ash said:

 

I a coming to this thread late. I will try to be brief.

 

I am arrogant.

 

Yes, yes, it's true. Those who are hearing this for the first time, please, try to remain calm... the shock will pass quickly.

 

At first, I knew this to be true because of how many times I was told so by others. Now I know it to be true because I have learned more fully just exactly who I am, and embraced that reality.

 

For me, the revelation formed itself thus: Am I arrogant? Yes. Do I have reason to be? All things being relative, as others, including the OP, have previously stated... yes. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

 

Thus, symphonious7 (nice made up word, that, by the way...B)), I see your insights, as posted herein, as being relatively normal, and the course of your life to be on track, with regards to how you reflect upon how you employ the gifts you see yourself benefiting from. I too, was overly arrogant in my youth, I still am arrogant. Even to the point of occasionally acting against my own best interests.

 

But not often. Such is one benefit of being 55, intelligent and introspective.

 

So worry not, my friend, that you care enough to place yourself under the microscope of true self evaluation, at all... says much that is good about you.

Yeah and I've known people who were arrogant and were real charming with it.  Like, just admitting it but also sticking to their guns when they know they're right in an almost assholish way that somehow is still endearing lol  Or people who say things like "See?  I'm ALWAYS right" *wink* stuff like that haha I've seen people OWN their arrogance I really have, actually that's how I used to be and girls dug me for it cause I carried myself with a cool "swagger" etc...  


As I got older I felt like... some people admired the way I was, but some were intimidated and offended by it.  I want to be all things to all people if I can be, so that's when I started trying to pinpoint and get rid of my arrogance, I think I did this by making myself enjoy things I didn't enjoy.  I started looking at artists my friends like that I KNEW "sucked" and trying to see if I'd missed something and often times I HAD, I was just being judgemental, not having a "higher taste in music".  So I dunno, stuff like that brought me down over time.  

 

I kinda wish now I'd titled this thread "I can't control the thought train!"  Or something, cause as Rudi correctly pointed out, this thread really never had anything to do with arrogance, I just thought it did hahaha but I love seeing someone who can be so honest about themselves.  I was that dude who if you said "I think Beyonce is a great singer" I automatically thought you were of lesser intelligence than me, not cultured, and I would suddenly want to "school you" on what good music is.  WHen I was like that?  THAT was arrogant hahaha  Now I can hear a statement like that and just think "Some people are suckers for a strong voice and catchy pop songs, everybody's got their thing!"  And that's all I think now, and that feels good :)  

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MikeRobinson    146

Never be arrogant as long as you must depend on other people to buy you a beer.

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symphonious7    142
3 hours ago, MikeRobinson said:

Never be arrogant as long as you must depend on other people to buy you a beer.

I think Confucius said that right?.....

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Rob Ash    483

 

 

On 7/17/2017 at 5:39 AM, symphonious7 said:

I think Confucius said that right?.....

 

 

Was it actually Confucius.... or Homer Simpson...?

 

 

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symphonious7    142
22 hours ago, Rob Ash said:

 

 

 

 

Was it actually Confucius.... or Homer Simpson...?

 

 

Yeah I'm always getting those two confused..... :001_huh:

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Rob Ash    483

 

 

On 7/22/2017 at 3:35 PM, symphonious7 said:

Yeah I'm always getting those two confused..... :001_huh:

 

It's a very confuciusing subject...

 

 

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