KennyChaffin

Wow, this reply just popped up in my inbox....a blast from the past! I haven't been doing much songwriting but a lot of poetry and science writing. Hope everyone is doing well!

Just finished first listen of this and must say I love it Finn! It definitely builds to the climax. Great Job!

This thread is a damn good lesson in songwriting (not to mention human nature ). Thanks Guys!

Wonderful and well deserved praise!

Damn!

OMG! That sucks. I purchased Finn's first CD and will purchase the second one as well. He is a great songwriter and doesn't deserve this kind of treatment! Will do what I can to spread the word.

Check out some Musicals, that's what I'm doing at the moment. There are classic melodies and lyrics. Sound of Music South Pacific Hair West Side Story I'm also reading about Johnny Mercer and studying his lyrics: http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Lyrics-Johnny-Mercer/dp/0307265196/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1296906540&sr=1-1 Great book, but a little pricy..

or the one that really grabs me in this vein is "Yellow" by Coldplay. very interesting song/structure/lyrics KAC

Great song! KAC

Haven't read the other responses yet, just wanted to post my thoughts without being "influenced." A lyric is a lyric -- words that are associated with some music with a melody and rhythm associated with them. Generally there is a rhyme scheme, but not necessarily. On top of that there are all manner of rhyme that plays into lyrics - complete rhyme, partial, multi-syllable, internal rhyme, end rhyme (this is the kind you are probably referring to above) and others. Many lyrics if they use a particular rhyme scheme in Verse 1 follow that in other verses. This is to help make the song memorable. I don't think not having a rhyme/rhyme scheme creates a series of confused statements, because there also should be rhythm and meter associated with the lyric as well. Now if a particular lyric has none of those things and is not in a standard song form, them yeah it could easily be described as a series of confused statements, just as each line might be if the words were arranged randomly. Still if each of the lines conveyed some message, some feeling, there still might be some point to the song if the music had a good beat and you could dance to it......let's see what is they call that genre.... KAC

Thanks John! KAC

Try "Writing Music for Hit Songs" by Jai Josefs - http://www.amazon.com/Writing-Music-Hit-So...2596&sr=8-1 It doesn't go into orchestration though which sounds like part of what you are asking. I have some other more "abstract" books on that. KAC

Not meant to be rules at all (as there aren't any in any creative endeavor ) more like guidelines. And if you start that chorus (isn't it really just a vocal group?) krap again, I WILL take you out to the woodshed and whip yer behind. KAC

I don't know man, just doesn't seem right. I gotta think it would be a pain to keep in tune. KAC

Yep! I've been building websites for almost 15 years now. It was even more important in the dark ages. KAC