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Kel
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Given we only have a finite number of notes to work with, and a less difinitive number of associations anyone may consider pleasing, it is probable that at some stage we will write what has already been written. We can't know every piece of music already written.
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I have a sense of deja vu ! (see post #14)
LOL It must be true then!
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Burt Bacharach once told Hal David, "Nobody walks down the street whistling the lyrics!"
Poor Hal.
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hi Kel
unfair jibe.
Some of us think of the words while we're whistling.
Can't agree more, Rudi.
K
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Burt Bacharach once told Hal David, "Nobody walks down the street whistling the lyrics!"
Poor Hal.
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Interesting. I guess it may upset a few folk who obsess about sustain. A guitar maker maker once told me that the neck was principally responsible for sustain.
BTW, I am more than happy to be shown that I am unusual (& wrong) about the neck finish. It may well be that most people do not fully release grip.
Metal produces sustain, surely. A metal nut will replicate a metal fret and a metal bridge will have more sustain than a nylon or wooden one. Also having the pickups closer to the strings has to help. Makes sense to me, but I'm no expert.
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What is making your songs long? Is it the lyrics, the tempo, or the musical interludes? There are ways to address all of these. If its the lyrics, are you telling too much of the story? Are you using superfluous words or phrases? Are you saying the same thing multiple times? Its easy to be verbose and taking a critical look at your lyrics is a good place to start.
Tempo is also a fickle beast. I've writtn more than a few songs at a slower tempo than they ended up.
Interludes... do they support the lyrics or do the lyrics support them? Do you need that 2 minute shredding guitar solo? Really?
Just a few questions to ask yourself.
Cheers,
Kel
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Agreed, it has to feel right
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thanks for your input guys
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Hi all,
I'm coming into some inheritance money, and thinking I'll get myself something I've never been able to afford: a real Fender Telecaster.
Question is, should I get an old one with a few miles and concerts under it's belt, or a new one off the shelf?
I'm not much of a player, and performing isn't my thing... it's more that I've always wanted one.
Question is, new or used?
Cheers,
Kel
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I think the general theme is what the chorus is all about. What the verses need to do is tell us what we don't know.
Who is the song about?
What are they doing/ have they done / are thinking about doing?
What is the conflict that they need to solve?
How are they going to do whatever they are going to do?
Why are they doing whatever they are going to do?
When are they going to do it?
What are they hoping the outcome will be?
Who else is involved?
and the list goes on....
Kel
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People.
What people do.
What people say.
How people interact with things, animate and inanimate.
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I enjoy writing.
But that doesn't mean I don't want to write songs for the sake of it.
For me, songs are for the audience, whoever that will be. My role therefore, is to give them what they expect, that is fresh and new. What an audience expects is genre driven, and I tend to write in the genre I prefer to listen to. Makes homework so much more enjoyable! I'd love the money that a pop hit may spin, but please don't make me listen to it! Nup, won't work!!!
I'll be the first to say I don't get there anywhere near enough. However, in order to even get to an end-consumer audience, any song has to get past an even more critical audience, be that a publisher, producer or artist (unless you are a singer songwriter, and anyone who has heard me sing knows I definitely do not fill that role!).
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There is an old expression, that nobody whistles a lyric as they walk down the street.
However, they do think them, or at least I do. I don't regard myself a performer, or a player of note, so I guess to me the lyrics are more important than the music. If the words suck, I don't bother with the music, but if the music sucks, I don't bother with the words, no matter how good they may be.
It's a balance. And I think it always has been.
Kel
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There was a band down here during the nineties called "The Far Gone Beauties" (say it quickly) and they did a Bluegrass version of absolutely everything. However they were stumped in a challenge on radio once when it was suggested they banjo up "Midnight Oil's US Forces!
Kel
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yeah, that's it... I always thought it was Siouxsi and the Banshees... I must have been in a fog back then....
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Always loved Souxsie & THe Banshee's version of Money (Lennon McCartney) (circa 1978 I think). Sorry, couldn't find a link.
Kel
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I start with a title, or a hook, which is usually the title anyway.
I then look to support the hook, firstly the chorus, then the story, then the melody (though I usually hear a melody as I write the lyrics.)
Cheers,
Kel
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I deleted Spotify within days of installing it. I thought it was crap. Still, my own little protest won't have them quaking in their boots, and I'm well aware of that.
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I was in a "music store" (where instruments and associated paraphenalia can be found as opposed to a record store (where they don't sell records anymore!)) a few weeks ago when I found it on my way to a hairdresser. I had a good look around, and even bought a few new picks and a tambourine. I have my two guitars already, but still looked! I did see some nice ukes, including a 6 string uke I thought would be interesting to play around with.
I don't consider myself a performer, or even a player of any consequence, just enough to get by, but I still enjoy wandering around a store for us creatives.
Nice topic,
Kel
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Mike,
I'm going to act like a terribly annoying fourteen year old in a moment, but before I do, I'll let you know where I'm coming from....
I am in my 50s, was in IT when it was DP (it had just dropped the E!) and got out of it when I discovered windows are more than an operating system. I have only hever had about 3 years of music teaching on a formal basis, all playing piano (though I did top Music in senior high school without performing!). I've played (on and off) piano and guitar for over 40 years. I've been writing music (seriously) for around 2 years. I consider myself knowledgeable of theory but don't claim mastery, can (and do) read music and write by placing pencil marks on a manuscript page (old school!)...
I ask "Why do I need to know what you wrote about "modes""
Respectfully,
Kel
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Your singing sounds fine to me but it will be hard to take you seriously if you keep that pic.
Kel
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I usually start on the hook first.
The hook can be in a chorus, or in a refrain, either way it's the most important part of the song in my opinion. Everything else should be there to support it. If you want a chorus, build it around/to the hook. Then the W questions will supply the info needed in the verses.
(Who, where, what, why)
Cheers,
Kel
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I use this one. I admit, I don't practice as much as I should, and I should revisit myself.
I must add though, that a personal coach is very important for correcting technique you get lazy with or just have wrong, so make sure you see a coach at least occasionally.
Good luck.
http://www.superiorsingingmethod.com/
Kel
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The Line You Wish You'd Written
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That ranks right up there with "Obli di, obla da..." and "Da do run run run, da do run run"