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Help figuring out key of song and possible chorus/bridge options?
Kel replied to JohnGrind's topic in Songwriting
Well... I'd tend to think it's in Fm... I=Fm, IV=Bb, V=Cm. However, since I and V are in minor keys, why not VI as well? When you throw in the Gm7, you are using chord II. Another chord to think about would be VI in this case Dm7. I've found starting a chorus in Chord IV is often a great starting point, and really makes it stand out from the verse. As for the bridge... your song may not need one... your lyrics will determine that... is there a breakthrough, a realisation, a declaration etc that turns things around or sets an idea in motion? If not, a bridge isn't needed. If it is... just end it on chord V and launch back into the verse (chord IV). Well, that's what I do anyway, but do what works for you. Cheers, Kel -
Hi all, I call myself new to production. In the past, I'd record, mix, and publish all through Audacity, because it was easy to use. Sort of. As a result, everything I did has sounded, sketchy. Along with the realisation I have too many other priorities for my hard earned, comes the understanding I should be doing more myself to make the songs I write more presentable. Hence, I stepped onto the Production roadtrain. To say there is a lot to learn is a vast understatement, right up there along side, "the universe is large!" I invested in an upgrade to my hitherto unused Mixcraft 6 DAW to Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio and all it can offer, and a shit ton of reading. What I am asking for here, is just some feedback to how my "learning" is translating into my production. I do not have a "good" singing voice, but I am trying to remedy that with practice and yet more learning. I don't expect to sing like a pro, but there are plenty of pros with what would probably be considered ordinary voices, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Waits, Neil Young, to name a few. All I am looking for at this stage is "okay". But being involved, I don't know how I am doing. I have links below to me singing my songs. The first couple are older, the last two are the song I am currently working on. Can I please have some indication as to whether I am "improving", trying too hard, or some such place in the journey. Thanks in advance. Moving On... Around 2014. https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=13860371 No One Can Stop Her... Around 2015 : https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=13860374 Through Hell Or High Water... 2019 Early working version: https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=13861977 Through Hell or High Water... 2019 Latest working version: https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=13864055 Regards, Kel
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Hi Dave, I don't ask for any writing credit when I offer a suggestion, though it has been offered on occasion. If I go into a co-write, sure, it's a co-write. But offering somebody a word here or a phrase there is, to me, the spirit of the site, and others like it. I do think you have brought up a great topic, and it is always best to get this sort of thing clear from the start. I have also creditted other members as co-writers, but at the start when asking particular members for their assistance. I suppose when I start hearing my songs on the radio, or some other medium and begin getting paid for it (ha!) I'll have to think about it some more. Cheers, Kel
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My "Lyric A Day" petered out, but only because I felt I needed to take a second, third, etc look at a few of them. Write on!
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Well that's good. My issue with these lyric a day challenges is they focus on volume. To me, such a process should be about kick starting the creative processes and the drive to complete a draft. Thereafter, once rolling, try to regularly start new lyrics and try new ideas, but switch your emphasis onto quality and completing the lyrics full stop. Just my two cents
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A little birdie flying high,
Dropped a message from the sky,
As I wiped it from my eye,
I thanked the lord that cows don't fly!
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Done my writing for today... just posted #4 in a personal challenge to write a lyric a day.
I spent a little time stalking you yesterday. Didn't learn much, lol
I'm interested to hear the story of how you ended up in Nashville, when you have time.
As for me, this last week and a bit, I've unpacked a guitar, practice some nearly every day, been writing every day (well, the last 4 days...) and starting to get the fire back. I've even loaded CD's into the car! George Strait of course!
I try listening to our local Country radio station, but I don't get much of a chance, It's run by the indigenous folk here so there is a lot of political hoohah on it which I get fed up with... just want the music!
Got myself hitched again (3rd time lucky?) Sept 2016 and planning a trip to Hawaii next year. I haven't travelled overseas since 1977! The trip after that may be US mainland... Nic has no interest in Nashville, but has interest in New Orleans, so we might do those two cities. I have always wanted to immerse myself in the Music Row experience... Bluebird Cafe etc. Might even catch up with a friend!!! New Orleans should be interesting too. I like Blues and Nic doesn't mind Jazz, so we should be able to find something we both like there.
Cheers for now
K
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Thanks girls, err umm.. Ladies... Just to get my juices flowing, I've challenged myself to write a lyric a day. Obviously not all will be great, but the idea is to get the creativity flowing once more. I've posted the first couple, and started another already today (08:38 as I type) so that will be up later on. Onward and upward, as they say. Kel
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I have different sorts of inspirations... My love of writing has always been there, even in primary school. While other kids would struggle to fill a page, I'd struggle to keep whatever I was writing under 5! But my inspirations to write songs came from Carole King, Joy McKean and Rod Stewart. (Those outside of Australia may struggle to recognise the name Joy McKean, but she was Slim Dusty's wife of many years and writer of most of his songs.) A diverse group, but not really inspiring what to write, just inspiring TO write. These days I try to write songs I think George Strait may choose to sing. Or perhaps, songs I would like to hear George Strait sing. I was raised on traditional country, but of course drifted through periods of heavy (classic) Rock, Classic Rock and Roll, Theatrical Rock (think Jim Steinman & Meatloaf) and eventually back to Country in my own preferences. Even with Country I have diverse tastes... despite his being Australian, I am NOT on the Keith Urban bandwagon, though I loved his debut album. Lisa inspires me. She just keeps on giving. I wish I could give as much as she does. Mahesh inspires me. I like to think when I told him the world doesn't really need another engineer, that I had some credit for his decision to give the world his music... John inspires me. I'd love to be as focussed and dedicated to anything as much as John is to Songstuff. This is getting soppy... I better go!
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Wow... we have our own feed now?
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We'll I am glad you are stoked and re-lit lol
Other than goals for a lyric a day, do you have any goals or aims? They don't need to be fancy, or hugely ambitious, but I find having goals makes a huge difference to ongoing motivation. That could be something as simple as filling your notebook with lyrics through to placing a song, or becoming a multi-trillion selling writer.... reality of those goals is a separate matter!
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At this stage, I am committing myself to the lyric a day, and a critique a day, but I've missed a few there, and practicing on my guitar 4-5 days per week. I'm also aiming at submitting works to Tamworth Songwriting Contest and the Australian Songwriting Contest this year.
Not putting too much pressure on myself other than what I can do.
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It's been years since I was last on the forum, so I'll drop by, stick my head through the door and yell out, "G'day, y'all." What have I been up to during my absence? Well, musically, nothing. Zip. Nata. Zero. I woke up one morning, packed awy my three guitars, two amps and the keyboard and haven't even listened to music (of my choice) since then. I told my wife and friends, "... the fire went out!" That's about it. The fire went out. I can't say it's burning again, but there is a spark. I might even unpack a guitar or two in a month or so, Maybe. Or quite possibly I'll get just concentrate on writing lyrics. Not sure yet, and don't want to smother the spark. To all those to whom I vanished, my humble apologies. Must go, I have to blow on the embers... Cheers, Kel
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That ranks right up there with "Obli di, obla da..." and "Da do run run run, da do run run"
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Given we only have a finite number of notes to work with, and a less difinitive number of associations anyone may consider pleasing, it is probable that at some stage we will write what has already been written. We can't know every piece of music already written.
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LOL It must be true then!
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Burt Bacharach once told Hal David, "Nobody walks down the street whistling the lyrics!" Poor Hal.
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Can't agree more, Rudi. K
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Burt Bacharach once told Hal David, "Nobody walks down the street whistling the lyrics!" Poor Hal.
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