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Interesting discussion. Ultimately you write because you want to or have to. It doesn't matter whether anyone else will ever read it or hear it. If the ideas aren't coming ... and that can happen to the best of us ... reconsider your approach. Maybe you're not getting your usual inspirations. I moved to another country (where the main language isn't English) and then I hardly came up with an idea for six months. Then I went to the USA to visit relatives for two weeks and had loads of ideas - so I knew that I hadn't "dried up", I had just been living in a place where I wasn't getting inspiration from TV, newspapers, radio etc. Go through old notebooks and look at lyrics that you discarded, listen to music you've never listened before - sometimes I'll just hear a single word in a new song and it will spark something. Or it could be a couple of chords ... but in a song I've never heard before. Or go see a movie ... I've got quite a few ideas from watching movies. --Paul--
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Well said. I write what I want to hear. If I try to second guess what other people want, or what I think would be more "universal" or simple, or whatever, it always comes out wrong. Also ... most listeners don't concentrate that hard on the lyrics in a song ... and some big hit songs have had pretty strange lyrics. However, I would agree there's no point just trying to clever for clever's sake - if you can be clever in a way that makes the song more attractive then go for it, but don't do it just to show off.
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Good idea. Actually I've found that the computer (for me) is not so helpful for lyric writing. Yes you can save drafts and so on, but I've recently moved back to using pen and paper (after using a computer for around 3 years) and I've found that it just works better. It's easier to work out half-formed ideas that way. I still jot ideas down on computer if I'm using the computer when the ideas occur to me ... but pen and paper seems more organic. It's also a lot easier to pick up a notepad I was jotting ideas down in five years ago and review it ... see how I feel about some of the unused ideas now. Write and write and write. A lot of it won't be good, but it's the editing process that makes things good. Fill a notepad with ideas. You might come back to it later and find something that works with a new idea you've just started working on. -
Yes I typed iv when I meant vi: So the progression is: vi-IV-I-V it's also often conceived as: I-V-vi-IV
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This is the third most used chord progression in modern music! iv-IV-I-V it's also often conceived as: I-V-iv-IV but that's still the same sequence. Only I-IV-V or I-VI-iv-V would be more used. Examples of this chord progression that aren't listed on that link in the original post: Alicia Keys - No One The Beatles - Let It Be Elton John - Can You Feel The Life Tonight Black Eyed Peas - Where Is The Love Crowded House - Fall At Your Feet Journey - Don't Stop Believing Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under The Bridge (and also Soul To Squeeze) Marcy Playground - Sex and Candy James Blunt - You're Beautiful Mika - Happy Ending Maroon 5 - She Will Be Loved Michael Jackson - Man In The Mirror U2 - With Or Without You Bob Marley - No Woman No Cry Bush - Glycerine Men At Work - Land Down Under A-Ha - Take On Me It's extremely cliched, in other words, but obviously if you have good tune that works with it then feel free... --Paul--
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Thanks Tom ... and John!
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This is one of the best exercises to try. It's also a good way to learn how to write a lyric to an existing melody. You can also learn a lot about song structure doing this - assuming that you pick a variety of different styles of song. Don't just stick to one style of music or song (or songwriter). If you happen to come up with a really good lyric there's no reason why you can't fit it to an original melody (or give it to a songwriter who can). --Paul--
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Hi, I'm an Australian living in Amsterdam. I've played in a few bands over the years and I've also written a few hundred songs, some of which I've recorded (check my website). I'm looking to touch base with other songwriters/musicians. I have occasionally collaborated on songs in the past and the results have usually been good. --Paul--
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