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Your replies are helpful and appreciated, but i've read on many websites that registering a copyright gives the copyright holder a stronger case of evidence should there be a dispute.. over authorship.. whereas just mailing the work to yourself may not even be accepted by a lawyer if the copyright was not registered with an official body, (extra witnesses etc.) hence the registration services... Sure i understand these registration companies are out to make a dollar.. but if the above is correct with such lawyers, then i don t mind paying the extra few dollars to protect my work. Whats wrong with having additional witnesses to authenticate my ownership of copyright anyway??
Mm
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Hi,
i'm looking to register my copyright for additional protection should any infringer try to rob me?? so far i've found two in the uk, (UKCS) copyright service, and the (intellectual property rights office copyright registration service) just for verification, is anyone on this site registered with these companies??? just so i know i'm going to the right place
Thanks
Musicmad
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1: the particular type of barcode I have signed up for costs $500 a year and provides me with a total of 999 seperate codes (which should last me for a while)
2: $480
... also I do recommend you get your code from CDBaby and not me (as a matter of fact, if I don't get out more CDs this year than last I'm gonna do CDBaby barcodes myself).
Finn, Thanks for all your information
and good luck on your musical quest...
Musicmad
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The barcode itself is just a number. The connection to the commodity doesn't become "real" before the shop (or distributor) enters it into their database with a price stuck to it. When you register for a GS1 barcode you get the first numbers - the rest of the numbers you build up. Example: my main number is 709001302 - Serendipity is my second commodity (since the "Take Two..." single was first. It all ends with a checksum number generated by OR'ing all the numbers. Full barcode for Serendipity is thus 709001302 002 0 (obviously: if you expect to have more than 999 items, you need another barcode type). Once you have this barcode, you are in agreement with whoever you get it from that they don't use the code for other items - which wouldn't be smart on their part either.
You should - as Lazz says - check if you can get the code from whoever prints the CD first, though. If they don't, you should probably just pay CDBaby for it. They charge $20, which is roughly the same I would charge (actually, with the dollar being under 5 NOK now, I would charge slightly more: $20.20
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The score: iTunes require it, for example. So does many other on/offline services.
(1) But when you pay $500 a year to (GS1) for your registration, do thay then provide you with as many barcods as you want, in that year??? (2) if i us your barcode or register for my own, whats the difference???
Mm
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Finn makes a typically generous offer - but I would still expect a manufacturer to throw this in 'free'.
Like Finn, they are usually registered and are able to generate as many UPCs as they want using the proprietary software.
So, because it's all paid for already, it's really no skin off their nose to give 'em away.
You should chip away at their quote/estimate all the time.
A few pennies per unit here and there makes a difference.
And the cost of a UPC is negligible.
Getting a deal on print and assembly will be the biggest challenge.
That's a real toughie.
Hi Lazz,
i was just thinking barcodes where only ment for albums in retail stores so thay could scan the barcode and order more of those albums when its out of stock??? but as i said, i dont imagine my album making it to the retail stores but only throught distribution sites on the internet, anyway, thanks for your information...
Cheers
Musicmad
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GS1 is the company that organizes the barcodes at a top level. They cost quite a lot - I pay roughly $500 a year to keep my registration. For that reason, I sell off barcodes to projects - many others do - for example CDBaby. Let me know what your needs is, and we can talk.
Hi FinnArild,
i'm pretty new to all this barcode senario, but what you mean is that you pay $500 a year to keep registerd and in that year GS1 will provide you with as many barcodes as you want??? when you sell off your barcode to other projects does that mean there albums will be identified under your! registration??? whats the score there??? i will be selling my album throught distribution sites, CD baby, itunes, amazon, and my own website etc, i dont imagine my album will be making it to the retail stores, but only throught distribution on the internet, so is it safe??? to use sombody else's barcode???
Musicmad
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Hi,
when going to a manufacturer to get CDS made, do thay normally offer you a barcode??? if not, how do i get one??? how much do thay cost???
Thanks
Musicmad
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I believe the record company would deal with things like PR, advertising, getting gigs (worldwide eventually ) and will stump up cash up front for recording and pressing purposes.
However that does mean that from the start you're in their debt, there's a cautionary tale on this site somewhere describing what can happen if you're not careful...
Personally I would suggest you go for it on your own, at least to begin with, providing you can afford it. If you get big enough to need a ecord deal then they will probably come looking for you, and if you're already set-up and running then you would be able to be choosey about the contract you sign...
Lol, that almost makes it sound like I know what I'm on about! Have to mention I don't... just using my commonsense
Rohan
Hi thelevellers,
Thanks for your reply. but once again, if i where to be selling my own cds on places like itunes, cd baby, or even my own website, i dont need a record label to make this happen, am i right???
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a record label is just a company name that has been registed. It costs about 20 quid i think to set one up if you are to go DIY.
Or you could try and get yourself a record deal. If you get a record deal then they generally look after everything for you. But you cant choose this... the company will have to choose you.
So do you need one - everyone wants one but most dont get one.
You need to tell us your aims to determine if you require one. I sold about 1000' cd's. I am not part of any label.
So what your saying is, if i was selling my own cds from itunes, cd baby, or even my own website, i don't need to have a record label??? if i did have one, what would be the benefit
Mm
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looking at the site. Just use cd baby. Looks like they get it on itunes etc as well for you.
They take a cut of 9% for digitial download or 4 bucks per cd sold and its cost 35 bucks to setup. So ideally you dont want to do anything other than an album as you might only break even.
Thanks! for your reply, but nothing was said about the record label, again! what is one?? do i need one?? what are thay for?
Musicmad
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as an example. Get your songs copyrighted. Get registerd to be on itunes sell through them. Thats the simplest way. The money will be paid directly from itunes to your own company or if you want, use cd baby to sell as a 'real' product.
Publishing is required if you are actually making money through air play etc, Are you at that stage yet? As they will make sure if you music is played you get paid. I did this myself and i still am owed money from HMV. It can difficult to do so best left to someone else.
I am a bedroom producer. So i create the music. I pay for the cds to be burnt. I sell them via itunes and cd baby. Do we sell many? No.
At this point you might then need a label, some A and R guys and publishing house to push the music out. But thats only if they want you.
Hi tgrover, thanks for your feedback,
1: when you mention about registering with itunes / or if i wanted, i could sell my album as a real product, do you mean that itunes only distribute digital downloads of artists music??, whereas cd baby offers a real product such as a physical cd??. 2: On needing a record label to sell my music on publishing sites like cd baby, itunes, Rhapsody etc, is it absolutely necessary for me to have my own record label??? what does a record label stand for anyway!, is it just a business name??? why do i need one???
Thanks
Musicmad
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Yes.
You're right.
But they can still offer benefit.
Even if you're doing it all yourself, the channels of communication and distribution are still controlled by others
All you really need is blind ignorance and huge determination.
If you knew too much before you started you would probably just give up.
Which island are you on ?
Which town ?
Hi Lazz, thanks for your reply,
i live in the Canary islands, on the island of tenerife, near the city of santa cruz, but i live in the hills..
Mm
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Hey
Effectively you are your own pulishing house/label etc. but you should still set yourself up in those roles so you can recoup monies from airplay etc.
There are several members who run internet labels and publishing companies, for their own music or multiple artists. Perhaps they can advise you on details of doing this.
Cheers
John
Hi john, thanks again,
how would i find these members on the forum to chat with, any links???
Mm
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Hi
concerning music on the internet. Am i right to say that its not necessary for one to have a music agent, music publisher, A&R pepole, or even a record label, if you intend to produce, manufacture, and distribute your music on the internet, all by yourself???
Mm
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Hi
There is no government run copyright registration:
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/protect/protect-shou...should-copy.htm
Though there are places to register your song that do strengthen your copyright ownership claim. Check out the professional bodies links:
http://business.songstuff.com/links/United...essional_Bodies
If you have music on the web etc i would still recommend registration with the US service.
Cheers
John
Hi John,
thanks for your feedback, basically i'm a composer writing a lot of stuff, soon to be on CD for commercial sale. I understand i need to register with a protection society like MCPS in the UK, in order to recieve a document to take to the replication plant to prove i'm the author of the work, whereas then i get clearance from the replication plant for my CD'S to be manufactured. Should people wish to use and pay for the music, would this be the distributing proccess where i would recieve royalties from MCPS??? The only catch is i live in the Canary islands, would MCPS still protect me even thought i live abroad??? Where would i stand in all of this???
Thanks
Lee1
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Hi
concerning copyright issues in the audio domain, for example, in America they have the US copyright office where you can register your copyright for protection, Should anyone make an infringment upon your copyright, you are then liable to sue for monetary damages. In fact registering your copyright is a requirement with the US copyright office. In contrast, does anyone know if a similar thing exists in the UK
Thanks
Lee1
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What is it with this MCPS thing? I understand their operation and what they do, they are just a collection society that dish out licences to third parties who wish to use, copy, or publish another copyright holders property, They recieve payment, they take their cut and forward the proceeds to the copyright holder (hence the mechanical royalties).
I contacted MCPS directly and spoke to one of their personnel, they explained all and i understud all. They protect your work so nobody can use it without you getting paid for it. But where i think your misunderstanding me Lazz, is that i'm not talking about potential infringers trying to use my work without me knowing about it, i'm talking exsclusively! about authorship in that somebody may claim that my work is their work and if that ever was the case, i don't think MCPS would stand by my side in court and plead out my case over authorship of copyright, hence the reason for having additional witnesses to prove authorship of copyright, that being the (UKCS) or (CRS) copyright registration services. I understand the traditional method is to address the copyright to yourself through the national post, but as i've already said.. what is wrong with having additional witnesses to authenticate ownership of copyright anyway?
I continue to seek advice on many forums Lazzy! This is just one of them...
Musicmad