dangerous singing technique

[Donna]

That article doesn't make singing sound like any fun.

OTOH, David L. Jones' going through and recovering from voice damage explains his crusade. But under that article's criteria it seems unlikely for non-expert folks to know what constitues a good vocal teacher, let alone be able to find one.

I have no idea what he means about flat tongued singing. Does it mean the tongue stays on the "floor" of the mowff, or what?

WHAT was this thread originally about?

[DeadSkinny]

I saw a guy once that was sreaming out this death metal vocal while smoking like a whole pack of cigaretts on stage. He would let out this howl while the smoke rolled out of his mouth. It was good showmanship i guess. I wonder if he's a mute now?

-joel

[Guest voclizr]

I quit smoking 20 years ago after having smoked for 14 years. One thing I never did was talk with my lungs full of smoke.

Anybody here who's a smoker and ever did that knows what an unpleasant sensation it is.

John B.

[Tictock]

so how does Prince get away with it?

Actually... above the passagio it's quite normal to mix the head and chest registers. Initially using only the head (falsetto) to work out the notes, but until ya hook up the power it's going to sound 'thin.'

Prince sings in falsetto, and he doesn't sing very high.

check out this clip.. nice movement to an upper register note.

http://geocities.com/aldertate/otl.mp3

(the end of verse stuff is just studio voice).

humming helps open up the high end.

Good luck!!

[memphisindie]

Singing while passing a lot of air over your chords will cause "nodes" on the chords with or without smoke. It also causes you to lose your voice. Most people don't have proper voice box placement and also tear it up that way. The voice is another instrument and it works perfectly "a certain way" which must be learned. There are some who have good placement naturally, but, not most people.

Katie Agresta had the best vocal coaching technique I've ever seen and Claude Stein, who taught the "Natural Singer Workshop" was the best coach of this technique among other things he teaches re: performance.

Those two taught the best in the business.

Their coaching did not effect your "style" of singing. It just turned you into a "class A" singer instead of a hack. After working with these two you could sing all day at full belt, extend your non-falsetto range beyond your falsetto range and extend your low range with perfect control and about 100 times louder than before consistently.

Coaching, from a great coach. Ya just can't beat it.

[memphisindie]

http://www.katieagresta.com/vocal_coaching_library.html

[Rudi]

Interesting link. I will bookmark it. Thanks.

[memphisindie]

http://www.claudestein.com/findex.htm

[john]

Hey great links! Thanks!

[Tictock]

Singing while passing a lot of air over your chords will cause "nodes" on the chords with or without smoke. It also causes you to lose your voice. Most people don't have proper voice box placement and also tear it up that way. The voice is another instrument and it works perfectly "a certain way" which must be learned. There are some who have good placement naturally, but, not most people.

Katie Agresta had the best vocal coaching technique I've ever seen and Claude Stein, who taught the "Natural Singer Workshop" was the best coach of this technique among other things he teaches re: performance.

Those two taught the best in the business.

Their coaching did not effect your "style" of singing. It just turned you into a "class A" singer instead of a hack. After working with these two you could sing all day at full belt, extend your non-falsetto range beyond your falsetto range and extend your low range with perfect control and about 100 times louder than before consistently.

Coaching, from a great coach. Ya just can't beat it.

Exactly! Agree 100%. Without proper occlusion it's quite possible to damage the voice if it isn't given enough 'down time.' Volume isn't about air flow, it's about ring. Each voice has it's own character.

I'm not familiar with Katie Agresta's work. However, from my experience it seems that finding the right coach that the singer can learn from is the most important.

Learning the 'healthiest' way to sing is the best way to enable a singer to adjust their own technique for whatever style they choose to pursue, and that imho is the italian school of voice. It gives them a truly healthy center. From which they can always return to regardless of which stylistic direction they choose to work out.

Obviously that beautiful italian style is greatly evident from everything I've posted here so far.

[Spyder]

Uhh.. So, I can't leave my tounge flat? Gotta curl it up towards the roof of my mouth when I sing? The root of my tounge is strained when I do that.. :s What should I do?