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Hi Kevin! welcome to Songstuff

Hi and welcome to Songstuff. That's a good broad range of music there. have you ever listened to The Levellers? Although folk-rock they were produced by members of the clash and you can hear a lot of the Clash in their sound. Anyway, nice to meet you

Hi and welcome to Songstuff Deepa. How is the music scene where you are? We have quite a few members from India, including one of our moderators in Bangalore.

There are many pros to BIAB etc. My issue with such tools is not that they exist, nor that they can accelerate the creative process, but rather that for a lazy person they can shortcut the process to the extent that they replace the skills or the need for them. I get they can make things accessible, but for some they can become a legitimate endpoint rather than a stepping stone. For example, a songwriter who knows how to write lyrics, how to play an instrument can use BIAB to speed up their drafting process to get a draft track. This is not the same as a finished track, at least to me. Others however will see what is created as an end product. This removes the need to deal with troublesome other band members or pesky years of learning instruments or how to record music etc. The result is often predictable, safe music that is about as challenging as snap. A lyricist for example could: Learn an instrument Collaborate with a music writer Or use a tool that replaces the need for knowledge or someone else who has knowledge with something pre-done The first takes time and effort and patience, the second takes that plus tolerance, the last is more easy, accessible and closer to instant by comparison. Most things have pros and cons. Years ago all synths had to be programmed each and every time, then came saved patches along with patches someone else had taken the time to make for you. Much faster to learn to use and only fear of sounding like everyone else and pride stopped exactly that happening. Samplers had the same issues. Initially everyone created their own samples, then came sample libraries. Loops the same. As sample loops got longer samplers went from individual sounds to loops of sound, we had to make our own, then came loop libraries, midi and audio. At each stage were those who took time to still craft their own, and those whose interest lay elsewhere and were happy to skip that step and just use the library sound. Each time creatives get complacent to the extent of just using the library stuff en masse music itself sounds very familiar, Same-y, safe, unchallenging. It happened a few years ago with Reason too, to the extent that anyone who knew their stuff could spot a Reason track a mile away. Trouble was those that didn't know their stuff were perfectly happy being able to bypass years of learning, to sound close-ish to chart songs (mainly because they used the same patch and or loop) and suddenly everyone was a "producer". When everyone could create music simply by spending $30 on software. It set that as being the price being a musician was valued by all but the most driven and passionate. Then they worked out how to get a hacked copy. Lol We now live in a society where musicians are about as special and respected as Starbucks coffee. It's become so de-valued that many don't pay for music or see why they should and many artists even think the only right choice is to give away music they create while they have a day job... That there should be no such thing as a pro musician. Soon when tech completely catches up that will be the way for songwriters, writers, photographers, artists, the whole lot of the creative industries and beyond. Maybe eventually we wake up and flip the "do interesting stuff" button and go back to sleep. At least until something is invented that flips it for us. And that is the point. It's here at least Tom and I can agree. We design ourselves into obsolescence. True those that want to do it the old manual way always can, though not without those that do it the modern auto way looking on with bemusement, puzzlement. Perhaps creativity will be reduced to picking the programme that picks things for us? The demise of civilisation, all the fault of BIAB lol I jest of course. It has it's uses to streamline and to accelerate, but please let's not find it acceptable, ever, as the creator of the end of the line product, for that way lies the dark side. Sadly, I think that is at least part of the target market, which means that before long, it will be the market, full stop. Long live the pain of skills hard earned, and of collaboration partners we could happily strangle lol Maybe music and musicians will become like carpenters and furniture? Only wealthy people get carpenters / cabinet makers to make furniture, everyone else uses flat pack furniture. Maybe soon most folk will listen to music written and performed by software, while wealthy people will employ the 1,000 or so individuals worldwide who can actually write a song or play it? Lol I stress, my issue is not the existence of the tool, or how accessible it makes achieving something for those lacking a skill, rather it is the lowering of standards and mute acceptance that because we don't have to we shouldn't or that modern means better in all cases or because it's not instant it's not worth waiting for, or that because it is difficult that it is not worth working hard to attain. Then again, I am probably just old and obsolete. Lol

Well, to be honest, band in a box is closer to that because it uses riffs and loops and it's interface is geared towards assembly line composition. It actually why I dislike BIAB lol But then this has been an evolution since midi loops and later audio loops evolved. Just wait until lyrics composition goes the same way. That said, just about every short cut tool that has trivialised skills from carpentry to making videos, photography, musicianship etc. removes the need for any skills to achieve a basic and evolving level of results. Sad but true. Creativity and almost any skill you had to work to develop are fast becoming obsolete. It's not just songwriting! Oh and I do get that doesn't mean we need to like it or accept it It just is.

Ok, you're mixing up terms, you are wanting common chord progressions, not intervals. An interval is the difference between two pitches (harmonic interval - the difference between two pitches in a chord, melodic interval - the difference between two adjacent pitches in a melody). What you are looking for, however, is the chord progressions, which can be expressed as in 1, 2 etc, but they are better expressed using Roman Numeral Analysis as there are differences between major progressions and the 3 minor scale progressions that RNA will capture and 1, 2, 3 will not. Most songs intro using chords from the verse, bridge, chorus etc, not using a new section. Similarly most songs outro on chorus chords, or at least many do. So here are a few common progressions and some of the songs that use them: I IV I V - Brown Eyed Girl I I I ii IV V - Like A Rolling Stone I V vi IV - With Or Without You Or some common 12 bar major progressions would be: I I I I IV IV I I V V I I I IV I I IV IV I I ii V I V Or some 12 bar minor blues progressions would be: i i i i iv iv i i VI V I I i i i i iv iv i i iv V i I Other common progressions I VI IV V I I VI II V I I II VI V I I vi ii V I V vi IV I hope this helps

Just to be clear, you want not just the starting chord but also the progressions?