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Yea, I noticed the same thing listening to Timo Raisanen, the vocals aren't perfect, but I guess that might bring more emotion into it? "Just a guy with a guitar singing his heart out".
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Actually, I think my taste of music is way wider than most peoples' are. Sure, I mainly listen to all different kinds of metal, but I also like rock, pop, folk, trance, rap, symphonies, indie, contemporary worship, etc (yes, I am bragging). I think the reason I'm asking is becase I usually don't pay attention to song structures. Maybe I should, I bet I'd be surprised! Thanks for the walk-through, not that much to comment about though.. It will be interesting to read your (and/or John's) article on structure
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No? Well, I guess I'm not the right guy to answer that. Probably just some assumptions, I never really listened to country. But I suppose that could be my next genre to explore Any recommendations?
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With "no love", does that include love to a friend, love to a child/parent, etc? Also, isn't this a bit genre specific? I mean, I could probably write a happy country-song about.. say sitting on a swing or somthing. But metal, now (imho) that's a bit harder.
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I've started to think recently, about the roles each part in a song plays. Verses have one role, choruses another, and so on. The reason I started thinking about this is because I've heard lots of songs in which the verses are way better than the choruses, I actually listen to the songs just to hear the verses. An example, Alkaline trio - Over and out: Now, is this good? Bad? I mean, strong verses can't be bad, but is it good if the verses are better than the chorus? Also, what strong song structures are there except ABABCB?
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When To Cut Out Breaths On A Vocal Track
Boff replied to JonathonHolder's topic in Music Production and Recording
Am I right if I say that you need a quite good microphone to capture breaths? Or do you need a condenser mic? I'm using a Shure SM58, and I don't get that much breathing on my recordings. -
For lyrics, no, not that I know of. All I need is to be able to really focus on what I'm writing about. That could be on the train, at home, in school, etc. Oh, and I usually listen to music while writing.
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Reading gives me plenty of ideas. It could be newspapers, books, the bible, stuff online, almost anything.
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The reason I was asking is that in Sweden we call the bridge "stick" and a pre-chorus would be called "bridge", but now I understand what you mean, and I'll be sure to try it out! Thanks for some great advice, keep 'em coming!
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That's actually a great idea! With bridge, do you mean like a pre-chorus-thing, or "C" in ABABCB?
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Umm... A gig we had, I guess around 100 people were there. A couple of years ago. I'm the guy without instrument turned away from the camera. Setting up. During the concert. Sorry about the blurry picture, I guess it kind of shows how we look on stage though
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That's what I think, some small changes is ok, but not major ones just to fit his idea. The thing is my collaborator is the drummer of our band, I don't really have an option (except from maybe learning to write melodies myself). He is really great at writing songs, both melody and arangement (and the whole recording process with mastering and all), his only weakness is sticking with the original lyrics. Well, I don't really see any improvement with the changes he's making, it's more like.. The lyrics are getting harder to understand, but he can get more emotion out of it because he gets certain parts as he wants them. I'll try to talk to him some more about trying to stick with the lyrics I've written, or maybe do the changes WITH me instead of when I'm not around. Thanks for all of the great thoughts by the way! I think I'm gonna try to put something up here soon, I haven't done that in some time now..
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I don't mind a few words, but he might use line 1 and 3 from the chorus, and just cut away the rest, because he wants the singing to be heavy, and there can't be to much words. He can cut a part in half (where the second half alludes to the first) and put something else between them. I'm not sure about custom writing for a melody, I really don't think I'm good enough for more limitations.
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I'm having some problems with my co-writer, so I thought we could have a little discussion so that I can convince him (and myself) about this. I should start off by saying that we write some kind of alternative metal. He wants me to write lyrics in a way that allows him (who does the melodies and arrangements) to shuffle parts of the lyrics so that it fits the melody he has come up with. He's not going to just mix it up beyond all recognition, he wants to do it in a way that allows the listener to still understand the general feeling and message of the song. I told him that different parts have different purposes, generally speaking the verses provide some background information, gives you understanding of the meaning of the chorus, etc. Now, since I generally don't write the story kind of lyrics, do you think it's ok for him to shuffle parts around a bit? Would you allow a co-writer to change the order of different parts in your lyrics?
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It's written in swedish, that's probably why you can't find anything
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Great points! I'd love to follow your advice right away, but I write most lyrics for metal, and it doesn't really work the same way. There are way more similes and metaphors, it's generally more abstract. I don't really know how to apply this technique to these kinds of lyrics?
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Heh, I just heard a fun story about a famous swedish band called Kent. They have a song where they sing something like "my eyes hurt" and stuff like that. The person who told me this had always thought that it was a way of saying that he couldn't stand the world and it's chaos, his eyes were hurting from seeing all the violence (or anything bad). 10 years later she went to their concert, and the singer says "This song is called My eyes hurt, and I wrote this after I forgot to take out my lenses before I went to sleep". The song had a deep meaning to her, but to the writer it was just non-sense
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Quote from another topic: That might actually work for me, I'll be sure to try it out as soon as I have time! Right now I usually get a sentence or two in my head, I jot them down, and sometimes I have inspiration to just write like half a song worth of lyrics in just a couple of minutes. I write stuff that works well with the original line(s), and if something comes up that is related to the topic but not in that exact part of the song, I'll just write it down a bit further down. This way I get lots of individual parts and/or lines I like, but the context or red thread (I have really been wanting to know if this is an expression in english as well as in swedish?) is more or less missing. I guess I kind of think of what you're doing is work, at least more work than just writing stuff as it comes to you. But I suppose that's a step towards becoming more professional in your songwriting...
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Yea, I'm in the middle of trying to find a balance in rhymes, so that I don't have forced rhymes, too used rhymes or rhymes in boring places. I have realized how fun and easy it is to change the rhythm and rhyming scheme to get things to float better, to have it sound less like lines with a rhyme at the end and more like just spoken english with some rhymes here and there, something like rap. (whoa, that's a long sentence)
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I record the chords or whatever, and then I put it on repeat and try to figure something out on the guitar. As simple as that
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Yea, writing good lyrics just by improvising is really hard, you need to try to write with emotion even when you're just writing.
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Write a lot and you'll get better! Read some articles here on songstuff and on other sites to give you some useful tools in your writing, what to think about etc. And try to not be so hard on yourself, I really know that part well. I'm having a hard time being happy with anything I've made. You should show your lyrics to some friends and stuff, they're usually nice
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What's the highest note you can sing at the moment? A good exercise is to to scales with the sound that you make when you're cold, "b-b-b-b-b", when your lips are bouncing against eachother (hard to explain). It's good for warming up, and it's gentle.
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So you have been screaming so badly you didn't have a voice? For how long was your voice gone? Has your voice changed anything since then, gotten raspy or anything? You could actually have damaged your vocal chords badly, but it's impossible to tell without hearing to sing. If you could record some scales someone might be able to help you.
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How high are you trying to reach? What's the top of your range at the moment? It might just be that you can't sing that high.
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