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  1. Hi Goldy, my comments are in green. I'll post my second draft below. Thank you for your critique.

    Lisa, this a critique of your lyrics The Famous One. The critique is offered as only my humble opinion and from my observations as one writer to another for the improvement and help with your lyrics. This my first attempt at an in depth critique!

     

    Rhyme Scheme, Theme

     

     I like your rhyme scheme abcb it's bouncy and it seems to fit well with your pop style lyrics. Your lyrics tend to flow quite well through the song. The theme of the song relates well to the topic Self Delusional, I think it carries the song, with referring to celebrities, living the rich and famous life style of self delusion and never believing it. Below, you will find my suggestions, starting with your title.

     

     Title

    After researching the title I found it to be used with another song that was religious by Chris Tomlin. Unfortunately it's not original, but I like it, and I think it suits your song, well. It definitely tells what the song is about plain and simple.

     http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/the-famous-one-lyrics-chris-    tomlin/da52daefac398d6048256df20024c210

     I love Chris Tomlin and Christian music. If he asked me to change the title, I would think about it...LOL OMG of course I can come up with something but only if he asks.

     

    Verses, Hook, Pre chorus, Bridge and Lyrics

     

     Also I found some of your verses to lack description, so you will find in blue, my comments beside the verses. I gave suggestions for the bridge, as to why you should shorten it and give it life.

     

     About your hook, I thing repeating it in your chorus, makes it memorable.I didn't notice the use of metaphors, allegories and similes maybe one, mind's reality, but that's all I could find. As far as structure goes, I thought it could use some restructuring as I mentioned with my comments on your pre chorus and chorus, but I like the fact your lyrics were simple and not complicated. I believe  you could have shown your lyrics with better imagery visually. Over all the song, has great potential, and I love the attitude it projects about someone delusional about being a famous celebrity. I hope some of the information that I have given, will be of use or at least looked at as possible alternatives for you to improve your lyrics. I am usually very visual with my lyrics but I really wanted the selfish, self absorbedness to come through, so focus on self lead to less visuals.

     

     The Famous One

     

    I see what I want to see good strong opening line, declaration of self confidence  see what you think about my new line 

    Even if it’s not true         confirmation of being delusional

    I act up I need to show this line could be improved, I put on quite a  show, suggestion Donna reminded me that the saying I was going for was "act out"

    I’m famous and I’m new good ending line for verse , lime light line.

     

    A mansion filled with gold things ,  I have a mansion filled with luxury, than gold  I like luxury but that added an extra syllable

    A yacht I say ahoy this line relates well to the reference of a mansion and riches.

    A garage with sporty cars suggestion/ expensive cars

    All of these are my toys fame and riches as the number one pursuit in the song.

     

    Pre-chorus

    I don’t want to sign autographs I want to sell autographs, more attitude to go with lyrics Both you and Donna commented on the pre-chorus (which I don't usually use.) so I've hopefully cleaned it up to make it more clear.

    I want to sell them (not for free) My name just isn't free/suggestion

     

    Chorus

    Hey I’m an acting prodigy I like this line it shows delusion strongly, Hey, like what do you expect. 

    Fame is all around me

    Better than I planned to be The camera always sees, more related to acting/suggestion

    Never any modesty I  have no modesty, a bold declaration of pride, using I - I'm going to use this verbatim. Good call

    For I’m the famous one

    The famous one

     

    I am on the stars and moon  Even the man in the moon/ suggestion for verse 

    No longer on the earth          Smiles at my famous face

    Always looking for the show  I've left behind the earth

                                                        I'm the spotlight in space

    That gives me greater worth I made some changes to get my point across better

     

    Pre-chorus

    I don’t want to sign autographs

    I want to sell them (not for free)

    Chorus

    Hey I’m an acting prodigy

    Fame is all around me

    Better than I planned to be

    Never any modesty

    For I’m the famous one

    The famous one

     

    Bridge I think your bridge is too wordy, perhaps something like this would be better.

    Suggestion: something like a delusional look into the future.  Also ties in with the chorus, in my opinion, which is essential to carry the song, with delusional thinking on the part of the Famous One. 

     

    I know in 2o years from now     look into the future

    Ill still be a box office hit

    Raking in millions just like Brad Pit 

     

     

    Acting is my dream that has not yet come true 

    In my mind’s reality I’m famous and it’s due       

    As I carry on today, tomorrow, moving on

    I will make this real someday to base my life upon  The bridge has been my one problem area on this song that I have suffered with. which way to go with it...make it truthful? follow the delusion and make it bigger? I've made some changes in the second draft below, and I would love your thoughts.

     

    Chorus

    Hey I’m an acting prodigy

    Fame is all around me

     

    Better than I planned to be

    Never any modesty

    For I’m the famous one

    The famous one

     

    Over all, I  think  that this song his great possibilities of being a very original and great song. Your lyrics, verses, and bridge need some work, but I think it will to be worth while when the song is finished. I enjoyed the delusional plot of someone dreaming of being a famous acting celebrity with all those riches and fans. Whoooooo! Wish full thinking for most of us. I'm thrilled to be in our incredible Lyrics Challenge Group, helping one another with our song writing.

     

    I wish you the best

     

    Goldy :yahoo: :yahoo:  :yahoo:

    Goldy, not sure about this song being great. It really has no where to go but I've done some work based on your's and Donna's thoughts and would love your thoughts on the second draft below.

    Thank you!

  2. Donna, my comments are in green. I will post the second draft after I reply to Goldy.

     

    First of all, this has a nice, catchy flow to it, Lisa. I can hear it easily as tongue-in-cheek, upbeat pop. The title captures my interest as well. Makes me wonder 'what about the famous one'.

    lguzda, on 06 Oct 2013 - 7:37 PM, said:snapback.png     Thank you, I always try to be upbeat.

    It's important that the first line in V1 grab the listener. Perhaps re-think this line. Maybe a stronger, fresher image will come to mind. 

    I kind of liked the delusion of my first line, and Goldy thought it was strong too but I have made a change and want to know what you think of:  I might be called a Diva

     

    The short lines are easy to remember, and each line contains a single thought. The reader/listener isn't forced to try to work out the sense.

     

    Some good simple rhyme schemes as well. The juxtapositon of prodigy/modesty is effective. ;)

    I love me some good rhymes!

     

    The theme is topical, as plenty of real-life celebrities do seem to be deluded. (-:

     

    You've also progressed nicely in the verses from telling us what the singer is like (V1), the things she likes (V2), and then moving her - at least in her mind - into another space and time frame (V3).

    I really appreciate this comment . I have recently learned that co-writing makes it hard for me to keep each verse clean and to make each verse make the story grow when another writer has an opinion of where the song is going to...

     

    The pre-chorus pretty much sums up the singer's philosophy/attitude.

     

    I feel the bridge is longer than necessary. It also - for me - has the affect of disrupting the momentum that's been building up in the verses/pre-chorus/chorus. Rather than move the story forward, it seems more an anti-climax. I didn't want it to be anti-climatic just explain the reality so I guess reality can be boring or a let down. I re-did it. what do you think?

     

    I'd suggest a shorter, tighter bridge. In order to move the story forward - and to elicit sympathy for the singer (who isn't sympathetic in the other sections) - maybe you could have the singer suddenly having a moment of insight, and wondering whether there's more to life than her current lifestyle. This is simply an example of a way it could go. This change in tone would introduce a new kind of dynamic, and render the last chorus more poignant as the singer carries on telling herself how wonderful she is, while all the time we know the truth. It also links back to line 2, V1 - 'even if it's not true'. Just food for thought. :)

     

    A shorter bridge - e.g. 3 lines - could shake up the lyric's rhyme scheme nicely, and would add to the sense of unstability, the uncertainty the singer might be feeling in those wee small hours of the morning when we're at our most vulnerable. ;) The bridge definitly needed to be unstable! thanks.

     

    All in all, you've got off to a good start.

     

    I've made a few comments/suggestions below. I hope they're helpful. Keep or sweep. :)

     

    Donna
     

     

    The Famous One

    lguzda, on 06 Oct 2013 - 7:37 PM, said:snapback.png

    I see what I want to see

    Even if it’s not true

    I act up out I need to show I think the term 'act out' is more dynamic than 'act up'.  Perfect! that is totally what I meant!

    I’m famous and I’m new

     

    A mansion filled with gold things Suggest giving line 1 in each verse the same metering for a better flow. Very rough example, 'I have mansions filled with gold' matches 'I see what I want to see'. I count 7 for each

    A yacht I say ahoy For a little more impact, maybe 'A yacht I've named Ahoy'. Nice!

    A garage with sporty cars Lines 3 & 4 need to meter with those in V1 & 2.

    All of these are my toys

    Rough example of matching metering:

    Sporty cars and jumbo jets

    Are all among my toys

    lguzda, on 06 Oct 2013 - 7:37 PM, said:snapback.png

     

    Pre-chorus

    I don’t want to sign autographs

    I want to sell them (not for free) The thought here could be a little clearer.

    Rough example only of alternative:

    For those who want an autograph, I tell them

    Sure, but they're not free, I sell them  I'm not a "Pre-Chorus" kind of girl so I struggled with it quite a bit. Goldy made some suggestions too, so I've combined both of your thoughts in a way...

     

    Chorus

    Hey I’m an acting prodigy Not sure about 'Hey'. I feel it weakens the beginning of that first line of the chorus. It's just how I was singing it in my head. Kind of cocky like.

    Fame is all around me Suggest dropping 'me'. This gives a break from all the 'e' sounds in the chorus end words. It also allows for a tiny bit of resonance between the words 'around' and 'one'. I have a bad habit of making too many rhymes in a chorus...

    Even better than I planned to be I think adding a word like 'even' ups the delusion factor. ;)

    Never any modesty

    For I’m the famous one Good repetition of the hook. It's shortness and non-rhyming aspect also contribute to a sense of unstability, which I think is in the chorus. It has a feeling of the singer trying to convince herself, though the reader/listener knows she's in a fool's paradise.

    The famous one

     

    I am on the stars and moon Suggest using a more dynamic verb in place of 'am' (e.g. dance, swing, hang, rock, etc. etc.). Or something like 'Now I hang out on the moon'. Just examples.

    No longer on the earth Maybe something more dynamic. Rough examples only: 'I've left the earth behind' or 'Out of sight of the earth'.

    Always looking for the show Suggest rethinking these lines. They're weaker than the others. The sense isn't entirely clear in line 4. If you re-do line 2, this may give you another word with which to form more memorable end rhymes.

    That gives me greater worth  I changed most of these lines to make the verse stronger and more clear.

     

    Pre-chorus

    I don’t want to sign autographs

    I want to sell them (not for free)

     

    Chorus

     

    Bridge Suggest shortening the bridge to make it unstable, and move the story forward. Give the reader/lister something new and surprising.

    Acting is my dream that has not yet come true

    In my mind’s reality I’m famous and it’s due This is a strong line. You could use it - with possibly a minor adjustment - with two other new lines, going for a tight 3-line bridge.

    As I carry on today, tomorrow, moving on Lines 3 & 4 are wordy, need to be punchier (if you decide to stick to 4 lines).

    I will make this real someday to base my life upon Ahhh the bridge...please comment on my changed bridge. I hope it is unstable and keeps up with the delusional topic.

    You have always given such thorough critiques. Thank you for your past, present, and hopefully future help,

    Lisa

     

  3. Thanks Rudi, you have given me some good input there.

     

    I had another look and yes, the third verse needed something more, as you say...

     

    [VERSE3]

    Would you like another marguerita?

    Made with a hint of rare lucidity

    Lets walk together where the lines are clearly blurred.

    Come closer you should see the view,

    Yes closer now,

    Still closer come,

    And once again I'm standing on my own.

     

    Hopefully this shows this guy is deranged. I took your metaphor suggestion seriously (hint of rare lucidity) and engaged an old favourite: oxymoron, (clearly blurredthinking it fits nicely with delusion. And as you can see, he is now standing... on the edge? Well... the bridge answers that.

     

    Thanks again.

     

    Kel

    Kel, Quick question in the new V3:

    Why is the rhyme scheme different from V1 and V2? It seems like a mouthful is it to set up the bridge? I know a melody might support a bulid up but V3 doesn't go right into the bridge... V3's message still has to wait through a pre-chorus and chorus to get to the bridge. so are you really using it to set up the bridge?

     

    I do like the metaphor and oxymorons you used very much. They really describe the delusion of this man/person.

     

    Oh but I do love the bridge! I can hear the effect used in Meatloaf's "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" when the sports caster is giving blow by blow plays of which base he is on! Awesome!!

  4. The rhetorical question is useful but has difficulties. It has to be sung a certain way to work (well). It has to sound like a question.

    Honestly. I don't know if its better or not.

     

    But I know that I like the way the last verse lines are now.

    I totaly agree with Rudi on this. Well said.

  5.  

    I've put the new chorus in it with thanks to Goldy :)

     

    Playing Games

     

    Verse:
    I was just a foolish kid
    Lost until I saw and found you
    All the sacrifices I did
    To makes this work, make it through
    I kept believing the same excuses
    I knew that you would change
    Even after all the bruises 
     
    Verse:
    Soon we got in a fight
    The truth caught up with you
    Yes I knew you lied
    Nothing was ever true
    So you began to beg and plead
    For another chance to prove
    Our love could succeed
     
     
    Pre-chorus:
    Keep pretending
    Keep the puppets dancing
     
    Chorus:
    Your love left me blind
    Playing games with my mind
    Leading me through a maze of deceit

    Seducing me, knocking me off my feet

    Sacrificing it all
    For you to be here when I fall
    You keep playing games 
    Holding me down in chains
    Stil you keep playing games
     
    Bridge:
    Your favourite game
    Playing with my head
    I was always the one to blame
    The one who was better of dead
     
     
    Verse:
    One chance after another
    You swore it would be the last
    Always caught you with another
    Another girl from your past
    I needed to stop myself believing
    In the illusions you made for me
    Pushed myself to leaving
    I'm throwing away the key
     
    Pre-chorus:
    Keep pretending
    Keep the puppets dancing
     
     
    Chorus:
    Your love left me blind
    Playing games with my mind
    Leading me through a maze of deceit

    Seducing me, knocking me off my feet

    Sacrificing it all
    For you to be here when I fall
    You keep playing games 
    Holding me down in chains
    Stil you keep playing games

     

    I love the new chorus! really ends strong and on your hook.

     

    You said that sometimes you don't have a melody in your head when you write which is fine but when it's time to add music to your lyrics it can be a bit challenging if each verse has a different amount of syllables per line.

     

    In this song you have:

     

    I was just a foolish kid (7)
    Lost until I saw and found you (8)
    All the sacrifices I did (8)
    To makes this work, make it through
    I kept believing the same excuses
    I knew that you would change
    Even after all the bruises
     
    Verse:
    Soon we got in a fight (6) - this may still work as it is close to V1 7 syllables
    The truth caught up with you (6) V1 line 2 has 8 syllables...
    Yes I knew you lied (5) V1 line 3 has 8 syllables
    Nothing was ever true
    So you began to beg and plead
    For another chance to prove
    Our love could succeed

     

    Can you see that the inconsistent syllable count will be hard to set a melody to? If you have a flowing and/or changing melody like Adele sometimes does, you of course can make it work.

     

    I think this newest version is more open and makes more sense to anybody who might read them. You're really touching a nerve that many people can identify with. I think you are going beyond the assignment and making this an incredible song.

     

    Really great work here!

    Lisa

  6. My dear critiquing friends, I thank you for all your wonderful ideas and thoughts. I will respond but in bits in pieces. I am overwhelmed with a family problem and a situation on my day job. I have nothing left at the end of the day. Please bear with me as I push through this thing called life.

    Thanks,

    Lisa

  7. Vagda, Good show!

    I totally get your delusion. Us girls just get it! (no that is not proper English...I guess it's slang.)

     

    I was assigned to your lyrics so you get three for the price of two!

     

    I've read and re-read your lyrics and I know English is not your first language (and Rudi noticed some type-o's) so just some helpful ideas:

     

    In V1 Line 6 it should be

    You and I  - the trick is to take the "you" out of the sentance and ask either: 

    "me" could conquer it all?

    or

    "I" could conquer it all? - this is the correct one

     

    Also in V1 you are writing in the past tense so Line 7 should be in the past tense too

    I remember it all so well
    The first touch, the first kiss
    I was under your spell
    So young and so naive
    It didn't matter what others thought
    You and me  I could conquer it all
    All that matters was our love All that mattered was our love
     
    In V2
    I'd think the cliche: Beg and Shout would be better as 
    beg and plead
    It makes more sense that he would plead for another chance (not shout)
    you could change the rhyming line to something like:
    So you began to beg and plead
    for another chance to prove
    that you'd never leave
     
    Chorus:
    I'd love to see the title of your song as a repeated hook line. Make it really stand out.
     
    The chorus is in a different tense. Did you mean to bring it into the present?
    If not it would work well in the past tense and in the first person (cause it's still you telling the story right?)
    Love made me blind
    Playing games with my mind
    sacrificing it all
    for someone to be there when I fall
     
    I'm not able to count the syllables per line for each verse right now (small lap top screen!) but in V3 I wonder if in line 6 it would be more clear to say:
    I knew that you woould never change
     
    oh and your last line on the bridge has good closure but I would add (if it were my song):
    I'm throwing away the key
    This would make it so personal and strong!
     
    I know you said you didn't have a lot of time. I wish I had more myself! So I hope these quick notes can be of some help.
    You have such an honest style of song writing, I always feel like I'm peaking into your life because your lyrics are so vivid. Never loose that! It makes your writing so distinctive.
    All the best,
    Lisa
    PS: I keep a pen and pad by my bed...sometimes I wake up and look at what I wrote and say: was that me? I don't remember that! But I just go with it... I write best when I'm too tired to think (Now that should be a song title! LOL just for us writers I guess!)
  8. Kel,

    You’ve not convinced me of the delusion in your song. You hint at it but leave room for questions and I leaned toward the girlfriend in the song being real.

    Examples of why I’m leaning toward her being real:

    V2 & V3 are solid explanations of her existence.

    V2: You are introducing her to the audience  = real

    V3: You speak to her and your friends don’t THINK she’s real = real (IMO means your friends just might not have met her yet)

    Pre-Chorus: I googled this….

    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/too+good+to+be+true

    “What they say when something is too good to be real”

    What they say is: It Probably, usually, typically isn’t true (BUT it still could be…) ;-)

     

    Chorus:

    The words “might be” = not delusional because it also might be real

    The saying “I pinch myself to make sure I’m not dreaming” = If I’m not dreaming then it’s real?

     

    Solutions/suggestions:

    Changes in the chorus to make the delusion theme more prevalent:

    I am living in a fantasy…

    It is too good to be true…

    It is a dream

    Or make the bridge the definition of the delusion:

    We’ll show them

    It’ll be alright

    We could be dancing in my dreams

    In the morning the truth be told you’re just my (a) fantasy

     

    Ok ok! You get my point. You have indirectly hinted at a delusion but not made it crystal clear to me.

     

    Structure notes:

    Title:

    The title is snuck in the middle of the chorus and seems lost to me. Your repeating line and the one you end on is “... too good to be true” I would think about that as the title.

    Verses:

    I notice that V3 only has 5 lines. To match V1 and V2 structurally you need 6 lines so V3 3rd line should have 8 syllables. It almost looks like it’s just missing?

    Rhymes:

    There are no stinking rhymes! But it still works great. That is one of your talents in this biz of songwriting is that the lines don’t have to rhyme to make the song work – kudos to you!

     

    Kel, you know me well. When a melody comes to my head the song is close to being finished. As I first read these lyrics the toe tapping beat led me to the melody from the Zac Brown Band “Whatever It Is”

    So regardless of the delusion not being clear to me, this is an almost finished song. I think that the plot just needs tweeking to fit the challenge of self-delusion.  I hope this has been helpful to you. As always this is just a critique from me and you can do with it what you’d like.

     

    So do you know anyone who knows Zac Brown you can pitch this to?

  9. I really like were all this SS is heading.  I have introduced several friends to SS all with varying musical interests.    

     

    It's almost midnight here, Wednesday morn and I have not had my lyric critiqued yet.  I don't think Kel has had a response to his lyric draft either.  We both have had views, but no critiques. 

     

    I think Kel has given great critiques, very in depth, and really seems to know what he is talking about.  Well respected gives valuable positive critique.  I on the other hand really have no idea what I'm saying. Basically I tried to cover most points and struggled to make it to 500 words.  After reading Kels critique of his assigned lyrics, I can see where  I need to go and do more research. 

     

    OK, I've just heard from Rudi and he's on it. 

    Thanks

    Jan

    Jan,

    Because Kel gives great critiques is the reason I am not posting quickly. I want to give a complete well thought out critique. I have looked at his posted lyrics and am combining my notes. I wish I had a time I could sit and just do music. but alas...i have the day job and long drive home...dang it eats up time!

    I have gotten my two reviews already and they are both extremly detailed and so wonderfully helpful. Oops! I still have to respond to them too! I'm on it! I'm going as fast as I can but still want to do the best.

    Jan, be patient. We are all going to help each other out here. One way or another. I love it here on SS!

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  10. John,

    Thank God you digress! I met a songwriter today at the grocery story and invited him to SS. He just laughed when I apologized for being so excited and long winded about the community. I can't imagine anyone with any music goals popping on to SS  and not loving what we have here!.

    You digress anytime you want.

    Lisa

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  11. And that, my friend, is the perfect example of a Kelism.

     

    A line, a phrase an idea that is so brilliant it cannot be immediately grasped. Later, as you mull it over, the realisation will hit you like an iron feather... "That's what he meant!"

    what does it mean when I start understanding Kelisms upon reading them?

    I GET IT! I GOT IT! YEEEE HAAAA

  12. The Famous One

     

    I see what I want to see

    Even if it’s not true

    I act up I need to show

    I’m famous and I’m new

     

    A mansion filled with gold things

    A yacht I say ahoy

    A garage with sporty cars

    All of these are my toys

     

    Pre-chorus

    I don’t want to sign autographs

    I want to sell them (not for free)

    Chorus

    Hey I’m an acting prodigy

    Fame is all around me

    Better than I planned to be

    Never any modesty

    For I’m the famous one

    The famous one

     

    I am on the stars and moon

    No longer on the earth

    Always looking for the show

    That gives me greater worth

     

    Pre-chorus

    I don’t want to sign autographs

    I want to sell them (not for free)

    Chorus

    Hey I’m an acting prodigy

    Fame is all around me

    Better than I planned to be

    Never any modesty

    For I’m the famous one

    The famous one

     

    Bridge

    Acting is my dream that has not yet come true

    In my mind’s reality I’m famous and it’s due

    As I carry on today, tomorrow, moving on

    I will make this real someday to base my life upon

     

    Chorus

    Hey I’m an acting prodigy

    Fame is all around me

    Better than I planned to be

    Never any modesty

    For I’m the famous one

    The famous one

  13. Poo! I only just seen this challenge! Today! Now! Cripe's not sure if I can make it but I will have a go!

    Dont know why it never highlighted for me as a new post?

    Les

    I've only just seen it today too...We have bad weather so I looked yesterday but didn't read...ha ha on us! I work better under pressure anyway! You'll do fine! Have faith. :-)

  14. I had an unfair advantage Rudi, I've lived with self delusion for nearly 54 years!

     

    Or I had deluded myself I lived in self delusion!

     

    Or maybe I had delusions that I lived in a deluded reality where delusion is merely a state of mind?

     

    Or perhaps my normal state of delusion has everyone else under the delusion I was deluded?

     

    My head hurts... Mother, fetch the doctor. You know, one who is just a phone call away. I don't care, Mother, if he isn't a medical doctor. If he's a doctor he'll get here fast enough if he know's what's good for him. Mother you know it's just an expression, now hurry up I need my medicine. Mother? Mother, where are you? Mother? Mother are you there? Mummy? Oh Mummy.... Here Mummy, there's a good girl. Where are you, you cantankerous b***h! Don't you know how important I am?

    1 word:

    AWESOME!

  15. Lisa, my dear, I wouldn't dream of correcting you, I thought you had used an artistic licence to bring the expression into line with your song. Really. Truly. Would I lie to you? Say Lisa, would you like to buy shares in this new bridge they're building in San Francisco?

     

    Wow, 2 ladies, I'm lucky today!

     

    K

    My ex was a Greys Anatomy fan. I had no interest after George left

     

    K,

    correct away! and I know all to well about the bridges...

  16. Hi Vagda,

     

    The common expression is "dribs and drabs" and it more or less means "little by little" or "in small doses" or "a little bit at a time" ,

     

    Like eating beautiful Belgian chocolate we can stuff it all in our mouth at once, or square by square, in dribs and drabs....

     

    I think Lisa has used drips and drabs to tie in with the dripping love, a very "artiste" thing to do  :monsterwink: 

     

    Kel

    Tanx for eloquently correcting me...I did it by subliminal accident.

  17. I find your first sentence funny!! Does it have any meaning? (don't know all the English words!)

    You had another aproach than me but I like it. 

    I'm just a little bit confused. Does he want her to stay or go away?

    'Cause he's begging for her but than he sends her away...

    Hi Vagda!

    Drips and Drabs is an American saying meaning "a little bit at a time" or in bits and pieces.

     

    I know it is confusing but I mean to keep the lisetner on their toes. He desires her to stay but alas he is married (or in a commited relationship...) and she HAS to go. Cheater!! Ha!

    Anyway, some of the Stones I mean Bones songs don't make all that much sense...

  18. Song forms are ususally described using the same symbology as rhyme schemes (or vice versa).

     

    A is distinct melody

    B is a second distinct melody

    C is a third distinct melody

    etc Yes, there may be more.

     

    You could always think...

    Verse Verse Bridge Verse (AABA)

    Verse Chorus Verse Chorus (ABAB)

    Verse Chorus Verse Chorus Verse Chorus (ABABAB)

    Verse Chorus Verse Chrorus Bridge Chorus (ABABCB)

     

    Song Structures or Forms are fairly rigid, where rhyme schemes are free and easy, no real rules other than consistency.

     

    AABBCC ABAB ABCB ABBA ABAAB ABCA ABCDD ABCDE (none)

     

    As you can see any pattern can be used, though the more common are ABAB, ABCB or AABB. As long as the rhyme scheme is consistent in all verses and different in the chorus and bridge, they all work.

     

     

    ABAB Structure

                                                                             Rhyme

    Verse ( A )

    I don't know why water don't flow up hill           A

    I don't know why hot air aways rises                B

    I don't know why rain always falls down           C

    I bet you think I'm just a silly clown!                 C

     

    Chorus ( B )

    You can think anything you to want                A

    You can think anything you like                      B

    You can think I'll never find another               C

    Goodbye girl it's time to take a hike.               B

     

    Verse ( A )

    I don't know why paper burns in fire               A

    I don't know why lemons tastes so bitter        B

    I don't know why you feel the way you do      C

    I bet you think I'm just a silly fool                    C

     

    Chorus ( B )

    You can think anything you to want               A

    You can think anything you like                     B

    You can think I'll never find another              C

    Goodbye girl it's time to take a hike.             B

     

    Hope that clarifies things a little.

    K

    Nice Job!

  19. Take two:

     

    Drippin’ Love

     

    You give love in drips and drabs

    Your love takes all I have

    I shouldn’t blame you, I know

    Girl, you won’t let me go

     

    I try to count one, two, three

    Careless tears fall on me

    Rip my heart out as you please

    Girl, I am on my knees

     

    I’m on my knees, beggin you please

    Don’t take your Drippin Love from me

    Don’t take your Drippin Love from me

    No matter what I do, I’m screwed

    Without your Drippin Love I can’t see through

    Without your Drippin Love I can’t see through

      

    Now that I have had my way

    Dammit girl you can’t stay

    There’s someone else coming home

    Girl, your love’s free to roam

     

    I’m on my knees,  beggin you please

    Don’t take your Drippin Love from me

    Don’t take your Drippin Love from me

    No matter what I do, I’m screwed

    Without your Drippin Love I can’t see through

    Without your Drippin Love I can’t see through

    Without your Drippin Love I can’t see through

    Without your Drippin Love I can’t see through

  20. Hey Lisa,

     

    I love your overuse of repetition it's very Stones Bones! From a technical stand though, you have your title in your verse, and that is a no no in a song with a chorus. Also, I wouldn't make Mick's grunts part of your lyric, that is more a performance thing in my opinion. Also, your structure is a bit out, in that you have 2 verses between your 1st and 2nd chorus, while the "guidelines" say only one.

     

    Remember we are writing for somebody else. And if the Stones Bones don't run with it, we still need to be able to pitch it to somebody else. In reality the Stones Bones write their own, or cover exceedingly well written songs written by successful writers (Under the Boardwalk for eg) so whatever rules they break in songs they pen themselves, we don't have the luxury of copying. Other A&R people will be laughing all the way to the trash can!

     

    Your lyric isn't the only one I've read that throws this guideline out the window, but as external writers, sticking to the formula of successful externally written songs is a must in my humble opinion.

     

    Kel

    ah, you caught me again...I started out that way but when I saw Vagda had the same amount of V and C I didn't want to duplicate. I'll edit when I get home...in an hour...not from Orlando! :tt2:    :ilovemusic:

    Lisa, I changed to first person, is this what you mean? I hardly ever write in first person.

    This is my 2nd version, I wanted to write the reality of my sad version of being called Red Hot Mama EDITED TO FIRST PERSON.

    Red Hot Mama

    V

    I watch her on the street at night

    Wearing a black mini dress

    Tears stream down her face

    Wondering where she'll go next

    Pre Chorus

    No one knows her drama

    Or what's behind her sad eyes

    No one can see through her

    Painful, painful disguise

    C

    I call her Red Hot Mama

    She lives her nights precariously

    But she's nothing like she seems to be

    Turning tricks like a merry go round

    Each ride takes her further down

    Bound to a life of Hell she falls

    She's not Red Hot Mama at all

    She's not Red Hot Mama at all

    V

    I see her in shiny red lipstick

    Throwing back her long blonde hair

    Staring into the empty future

    Knowing she's going nowhere

    V

    Age has played her so hard

    I know she tries to pretend

    Remembering better times

    When she was young again

    B

    I wonder if her life will change

    But I really don't know

    If she had family to help

    She'd have hope for tomorrow

    C

    I call her Red Hot Mama

    She lives her nights precariously

    But she's nothing like she seems to be

    Turning tricks like a merry go round

    Each ride takes her further down

    Bound to a life of Hell she falls

    She's not Red Hot Mama at all

    She's not Red Hot Mama at all

    Goldy :grindance: :grindance:

    awww that was quick! Yes, that is what I mean. Do you like it? I do!

  21. The rich and famous, the celebrity circle, the folk from Harvard who down a Yale, those who think anyone worth less than a million is trash, lazy or stoopid, and of course, old money, not some new up and at it worked his way into a fortune lucky trash... no, old money only, country clubs, weekends in Paris, money in the Caymans...

     

    Got it?

    I figured it was "old money"...

  22. Sticky When Rich

     

    Intro:

    When I was a kid I didn’t gather no moss

    Now im the boss, I cant seem to wash it off

     

     

    V1

    When I sang the blues, I ran through the milieu

    with defiance in my heart, and shit on my shoes

    And when I lusted for the earth, I didn’t reckon on the hurt

    I only saw the candy, no I couldn’t see the dirt

     

     

    Chorus:

    Sticky when rich, it’s on every stitch I stand in

    Tarred and pitched, bitching and demanding

    No I cant let go,  I can only touch some more

    yes I know it’s kind of kitsch but you that you’re sticky babe…

    Yes you’re sticky when rich

     

         -Chorus-

     

    V2:

    Baby you and me, we was running free

    I turned around and found, we didn’t cover no ground

    I turned back again, there was you and your mother,

    And next thing I know, it’s a half a dozen others.

     

        -Chorus-

     

    V3:

    Baby you can join me under this umbrella

    But there aint no room for them white trash fellers

    Do ya wanna be with me or the hoi polloi?

    Did you reckon on winding up a rich man’s toy?

     

    -Chorus-

     

    Scat outro:

    All that filthy lucre sticks to everything

    And it glistens on my shoes and it shows in my clothes

    It clogs up my ears and it sweetens the air underneath my nose

    But its sticky honey

    Yes its sticky when rich

    Sometimes…

    I wanna kick shit in the slum with all the other scum

    Because all this fine dining is gittin kind of humdrum

    Sticky when rich…

    Sticky when rich…

     

     

    1-Oct-2013

    Unwise Bill, Stabber & Ricardo

    hoi polloi... care to explain? Or do I have to look it up?

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