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  1. Hi Sreyashi Good topic. For me it has always been there. Making music was and is, as essential as breathing. Just like breathing it happens automatically, my default setting. As a kid my mum sang opera with the Scottish National Opera and the BBC, and she taught piano. So at 4 I started learning the piano. Singing was always there, so I am not sure when that started! After seeing Yehudi Menuhin on TV I was determined to learn to play like that, so at 7 I started learning how to play he violin. My mother rolled my sisters and I out to perform at social events, and I picked up the performance bug there, although even at 7 I was already performing through clubs etc. Although I kept playing both piano and violin, over the years my interest became focused on how music was composed and arranged. I started to learn other instruments so that I could understand them, and How they all worked together. Not only that, it was a challenge and it was fun. I sang with a choir and took part in the odd competition, I started to learn how to play drums and played in a competition pipe band. In our grade we won national and world titles. I learned how to play the bagpipes and played in another pipe band. All along I tried every instrument I could get my hands on, bugle, trumpet, clarinet, viola, cello... I tortured them all lol I am not sure exactly when I started writing. I know I wrote lyrics, and I know I wrote music from a very young age, but writing full songs, I am not sure? 12? 13? When I was maybe 14 or 15 I took up the guitar. My world transformed. Until that point, unless writing my own melodies, I had worked almost exclusively with the notes written by someone else, represented on a manuscript, with me interpreting and performing those notes. When I started playing the guitar I stepped away into improvisation, and playing purely by ear. I remember working on mainly rock music with some folk thrown in for good measure. Smoke on the Water by Deep Purple was many a guitarist's first notes. I remember working out Stairway To Heaven, note by note, and playing it on a terrible acoustic with a ridiculously high action. My guitar became my main instrument, saving for an electric guitar, exploring blues, heavy rock and heavy metal, funk, jazz, folk... just music every day. Soon I was learning bass guitar, mandolin, even didgeridoo! lol learning circular breathing for that wax a challenge believe me! I started playing in bands, people I knew through school, playing school gigs etc. Good fun at the time, but also good experience. My sisters both played and sang. My eldest sister sang in choirs, was a concert pianist who took part in pretty prestigious competitions. My other sister was always more interested in pop culture, Elton John being on of her favourites. Both sisters would duet on piano and singing. They were certainly an influence and through them I experienced pop and Rick music much earlier than I would have as a single child. Similarly, I had an aunt and uncle who loved music. In the 60s my uncle had become a huge Dylan fan. He used to go to gigs in and around London and record them on his 4 track recorder. The earliest Hendrix gigs, The Who, Yardbirds etc. He even had a recording of a jam between Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison lol He has so many rare recordings, in many cases the only recordings of events and gigs in the late 60s and 70s Freak scene, mainly in London and the South of England, but elsewhere too. I am not sure exactly when they started going to festivals and gigs in the USA. Nowadays they still travel to gigs all over the UK and the odd Dylan gig in the USA. (Years later the BBC made a documentary about one of his recordings, a "lost" recording of Bob Dylan in London). Both he and my aunt were friends of Sandy Denny (Fairport Convention) and Roy Harper, and they were involved in the vibrant folk rock scene in Britain in the late 60s and 70s. My uncle ran a Bob Dylan fanzine for many years and he still travels all over the world to see them. I mention my mother, sisters, aunt and uncle, because my family were a huge influence, helping to fuel and nurture my passion and interest in music. Fair to say that my interest in music was quite diverse, and that I was far more interested in how music was created than anything else. I got jobs working in recording studios, live events, played in bands sometimes professional, some times semi professionally. I rode motorcycles, had long hair, partied like there was no tomorrow, but music was always front and centre. One band had quite a large following, got loads of press coverage, played festivals and large gigs was on the brink of being signed, for it to fall away as the band imploded after a few years of playing together. A common enough story. I did session work too, that was fun. It should be said that, what little regard I had for wanting to be a celebrity died away at this time. It had never been a huge motivational factor, but for a variety of reasons, mainly being hugely uncomfortable with press intrusion on my life (even at that minuscule level of celebrity) and being recognised going down the street, became something I didn't want. So here I was, a musician and writer, who loved performing, wanted to play bigger gigs and record my music... but I hated celebrity, what it stood for. I wanted attention for my music, but no attention for me lol. A conundrum! Then I injured my spine. I went from playing gigs several times a week to lying on a floor for 18 months and what was to become decades of pain and extended periods of incapacity, operations, stacks of pain killers, injections, hundreds of hours of physiotherapy. I could no longer reliably perform. I couldn't work as a roadie, or sound crew, or even as a recording engineer. So I went to night school, got the qualifications I needed to get to University, studied and achieved an honours degree in Electronics with Music, which was mainly about designing music tech, but also using it, composition etc. I played in bands all through University, and I honed my music making skills and applying my creativity to technology and the business of music. It was a mind expanding period for me, literally. I played on TV, live gigs on radio, did my share of TV and magazine interviews, Fun years. By now I had built a lot of experience of music marketing and promotion, learned a lot about the making of an artist, managing bands, recording and producing, even the kinds of music deals around, and the ways that the music business worked, how it ticked over, common strategies etc. I had seen bands that worked inrehearsal studios beside us, go from nothing to the top of the charts in the UK and the USA, and had spent a lot of time talking with people behind the scenes, including band managers and entertainments lawyers, publishers and Record Label staff. I started work with Motorola while my musical focus turned towards what I could do at home, recording using computers, electronica, and towards the fledgling internet as a great way to meet and work with other musicians. I was producing local bands and started working with a female singer. We made chill out tracks, were getting featured on Radio One in the UK by Pete Tong and others, we were meant to be tour support for Groove Armada, things were happening again.... and then my back went again. The old injury came back hard, another few operations... and while lying on my back, still full of creativity, frustrated as hell that I should have spent so much time learning all these skills, and they were just going to evaporate away, as if they never happened, when I came up with the idea for Songstuff. If I couldn't do things myself, I wanted to help others, pass on what I had learned. The internet was still pretty new. Google didn't exist! I still made music in my home studio, I still worked with other musicians, but gradually Songstuff took over. I really enjoyed helping other musicians, connecting with people, learning about the internet, how it was used and how it could benefit bands. I transferred over a lot of skills developed in the real world for the old music business, and tried to bypass issues that the internet was throwing up, investigated what worked and what didn't and how successful bands used different strategies on and off the internet, and how they combined the two. Another mind expanding period! I added a community onto Songstuff, and the rest they say is history. I have met a load of famous people over the years, even at a very young age, and was aware just how ordinary they are (out with their sometimes exceptional, sometimes little better than average talent) We put them on a pedestal. Some remain good, untainted, others believe their own hype and really are not that nice. I've learned many lessons along the way, but amongst the most important lessons related to success, I would say are these: Always give attention to detail Be creative in all that you do (music, image, business, everything) Work to as high as standard as you can at all times Work hard Work harder Work harder still That is the essence of the work ethic that is required to make original, engaging music you can feel proud of... no matter if it is as a professional, semi-professional or enthusiastic amateur. Happy accidents occur rarely. Everything else is just noise. A long post (as if I am not known for them lol) but on a bright note, I didn't write an entire book) Hopefully it adds to your picture of who I am, and maybe even what Songstuff is. Why Songstuff is. Cheers John
  2. Hi Gang We live in a culture where music is only one facet of an artist, one aspect of them in an industry that goes well beyond the music itself. Image is in itself a complex beastie. There is the very obvious visual image. Something that the likes of David Bowie, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Sia, are (or were) all very good at re-inventing... no matter if you like a specific image or not. Every band has a visual image, just about. Some it is their look, Status Quo's long hair and denim, Marilyn Manson's goth vampire, George Michael's sun glasses, stubble etc., Elton John's big glasses and glam outfits. Even when a band doesn't have an obvious or strong visual image for themselves (a rarity) they use an anti-image, the absence of image... with strong graphics as a substitute... think Pink Floyd, or Yes. Then comes the broader image of an artist, often based on behaviours. Sex, sexuality, politics, causes, humour, arrogance, evasiveness, inebriation etc. What, if any, image development have you done? What would you think you would show strong in, or could be strong in? What would you be weak in? Or what would simply not be for you? Have fun, but I am interested in some thought and effort being put in... a little bit of self-examination (not down there!) Cheers John
  3. Late, maybe, but a good contribution Chicken Picker
  4. Hi Ariel! Welcome to Songstuff Are you a lyricist? Musician? Performer? Something else?
  5. @Pahchisme Plaid Nice to see that it prompted not only some in-depth thought, but also some background research. Not only that, but you learned from the exercise! Ideal! Research is vital for spotting trends. Not just pasttrends, but on point trends... because if you can be cutting edge you can pus it further into ahead of the curve songs that stand a real chance of trend setting. Great job on effort!
  6. This would actually fit better on the music challenge board. No harm in that! lolWe can seee what interest we can muster here.
  7. Sure, though time will be short for the next couple of weeks while the forums move to updated higher spec servers
  8. Hey Mahesh Well done! I suspect it is only at the beginning of a wave of success. You have worked hard and thoroughly deserve the recognition you are getting. That said, be prepared to work even harder! At every stage be prepared to take advantage of any new gains or contacts.
  9. Any plans to record them? Even without a beat. Some nice lines in there. "Seven personalities", I know what you mean, but it could be mixed up like a multiple personality disorder, which bipolar isn't. A simple tweak could pull it in line though: "like seven personalities, made up daily". I don't think going into the forums section is necessary here. It's filler, a distraction. Overall the piece works pretty well.
  10. Hey Sreyashi, welcome to Songstuff! I bet you are thinking "At last! My music!". Take a deep breath, be mindful of the moment, and savour the feeling of constraint lost and freedom found. Music flows through us, filling every fibre of our being. To experience that as a listener can be astounding, consuming, essential, liberating and An overwhelmingly emotional experience, when it is done well. As a writer? Performer? A creator? It is hard to put into words the connections we build with songs and music. Emotion and expression permeates all that we do, and no matter the emotion, it is a celebration. it just so happens "we got a party goin' on". Dive in! I look forward to hearing your tracks.
  11. Hey Brandon Welcome to Songstuff. It's good to have you aboard.
  12. Careful David, the last person to approach such an observation ruffled some feathers, and was told in no uncertain terms to cluck off. Sorry. Couldn't resist
  13. It doesn't though there is a spell checker. Are you sure it isn't your iPad autocorrect/autoincorrect?
  14. I know a few Patreon peeps. I know one who funded her 3rd or 4th album via Patreon, having funded the previous album on a different crowd funding platform. She said Patreon gave her far more options and control, plus opportunities for fan engagement just not possible on other platforms. I chartered creating a Patreon page for Songstuff at that time, maybe 18 months ago, but it would take a significant amount of investment of time... and time is a commodity I just don't have. For what it is worth, I think it is much more focused on artists and musicians than say gofundme.
  15. john

    Hi

    Lol, brief, but effective. Welcome to Songstuff Unlinktwo. Who are your favourite writers? Are you focused on writing for specific genres, or writing across genres, or do you like mixing it up a bit?
  16. Indeed, he knows his craft.
  17. I guessed as much, I was entering into the spirit of things lol I know your sense of humour / making a point / not pulling your punches mix fairly well by now... as I guess most regulars do! I also suspect that deep down you have a soft fluffy interior bursting with a desire to hug strangers after you have helped them across the road. Or not.
  18. Ah, you've been practising empathy and encouragement! The results are impressive. Not exactly an orthodox teaching method, but it's all about results.
  19. Hi and welcome Kyle. i guess you need to be sure you are both talking about the same thing. Did you confirm what they were thinking of? The song? Melody? Words? Singing? Expression?....
  20. For me, production is like song writing or arrangement.... there is a balance to be had between familiar / genre predictable and creative expression / originality. Corny tends to be a close neighbour of unadventurous. As if you are sticking too closely to a genre specific production brief. certainly using a preset pallet that doesn't stray too far from standard sounds will make the sound of a song unchallenging, safe. It is less that you use presets, so much as the presets you choose and how you choose to use them. It can be a good idea to use at least one prominent sound that strays into a significantly different genre. Also using expected sounds in unusual or unexpected ways can help reframe the production into something more challenging, more interesting... and that should stop it sounding corny.
  21. I created the new Rap Battles board as a sub-board of the Songwriting Discussion board: http://forums.songstuff.com/forum/215-rap-battles/ Have at it!
  22. In terms of tasks I can start from wherever the first idea comes from. It really depends on if I start on purpose, or by accident. By accident, means I am doing something and an idea emerges. I could be playing an instrument, wandering around singing, tapping out a beat on my lap or arm of a chair, or mucking about with a sampler or beat in Sonar, or pondering some word or phrase that has prompted an idea that could spark an entire song. However, very quickly I migrate to fill in the blanks between the result of the accident and the way I write as a purposeful act. In other word if creating an interesting beat sparks ideas, I take note of the beat and resulting ideas and then go into a purposeful process. By purpose, there are three key components, that help unify the whole song: The feeling The idea or theme The message Really the evolution of these sets the foundation of the song. Knowing "I am writing a sad song with an element of hope, about love lost, where I am saying 'Don't give up, I can get through this'" helps frame everything that comes after. It increases my focus, the speed of work, the creation of, development of and acceptance of ideas. It also increases the chances of me completing the song. Once I have those 3 I focus on finding the title and melodies in line with the theme/concept, message and emotion. That makes it sound very formal.... but in essence it just gives purpose and focus to my musical and lyrical foraging! If I am writing a more electronica based piece I will almost certainly be in my studio. For electronica Songwriting and recording are integral. Quite frequently I start with the beat that goes with or suggests an emotion. I then set the beat looping and start writing a melody by singing along. Taddah! undoubtedly my process continues to evolve, partly shaped by gear, time, location and area of interest. Simple.
  23. john

    Jessie

    I should also mention this was my first drawing in 10 years... at least. Also my first drawing with pencils as opposed to pen and ink, pastels or acrylic paint.
  24. john

    Jessie

    If you zoom in, and look closely, you will see me reflected in her eyes.
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