Peggy

Considering the Lizzo news and what the lawsuit by her dance teams alleges, it seems that for an artist, to build a fanbase and fame, based on things the artist doesn't really believe or adhere to, isn't very respectful to their fans and will turn fans off. And when an artist isn't respectful of their performance support teams and the fanbase becomes aware, there is a price to pay when the "hypocrisy" gets exposed...as you can now see on X (Twitter).

Thought just occurred to me that some of this is the audience member, that throws these things, are doing it for attention. The incidents go viral and they're now "stars", too.

It's not new.. Elvis, Tom Jones, the Beatles probably even Frank Sinatra

As you say @buckoff "press is press" Decades of throwing undies on stage.. and can't forget those musicians throwing their undies off stage.. Then there was the musician diving off stage to be caught by the audience.. and audience members jumping on stage..

Totally!!! I often wonder, is this a publicity stunt? It's not just in the music industry. Even with "causes", sports, politicians, actors. I rarely believe incidents exactly how they are reported. Although, some are probably real and spontaneous. Seems many just jump on the initial incident for pub or need an incident to get attention. Now, we've seen this rise in reporting of on stage incidents.. Starting with the slap at the Oscars.. Performers might need to go behind fenced stages to perform ... like in that old Blues brothers movie.. just kidding .. then boom.. Teddy Swims picks up the phone thrown on stage and takes a selfie and tosses the phone back. Fans go nuts.

Given the progression that we have lived to experience, I believe, in future periods of time, that AI will replace many industries and creative endeavors, especially with our acceptance and uses of the ever increasing power of technology's tools and communications to capture, supplement, create and manage. We are now and have for many many years, been developing and training AI with every stroke of the keys and with every device that recognizes speech and sound or tracks locations. Government's and industry's knowledge and uses of AI are way ahead of the people's awareness and even our ability to comprehend. Is it all for the good? No. Is it all for the bad? No. It will be the generations ahead, if it is still possible at that point, to determine how far they let AI go. Will humans still be able to wholly create their art, write their lyrics, perform their songs? Absolutely. Will there still be a Music industry? Probably, in some fashion ... as it has since the beginning, it will continue to morph and change.

Hi Mark, Welcome to Songstuff! Listening to some of your songs. Nice guitar and what a great sounding voice. Smooth and funky!! Enjoy the community. Peggy

Hi Evie, Welcome to Songstuff

Hi Jontrell, Welcome to Songstuff. The Introduction board is still used, for sure. 😀 It's a great first place to say hi to the community and maybe tell us what your up to with your music or a little background, goals maybe... what brings you here, that kind of stuff. If you have in questions about the boards, just ask and we'll get you some answers. See you around the boards. Peggy

Nice to meet you, Charlie and welcome to Songstuff. See you around the boards.

Welcome to Songstuff, Emma!

His groove always has me feeling it ..

Nope, I think there are probably "influencers" that they identify, maybe even hire and are looking to them. The amount of new songs is staggering, to say the least. But I try to relate the number today with a bit of the past. Think of all the bands that played at college concerts, clubs, bars, picnics, garages, friends parties in all the towns and cities throughout the world where they never recorded at a studio or released their music because of the cost to do so. A bit off my main topic, but this article I was reading today seems somewhat relevant to our over-all discussion here. I think the industry knows there needs to be a change.

There's a lot of concern and frustration about how an artist is to make money on music platforms. Artists have been expressing their concerns and Industry giants say they have been "trying" to address the issues. This article is an opinion piece. I think it does a pretty good job laying out some of the most glaring issues. Most specifically, the fraud occurring on their music platforms. "We are willing to make the switch to a user-centric model if that’s what artists, songwriters, and rights holders want to do." https://variety.com/2023/music/opinion/how-to-stop-streaming-fraud-1235666090/

In someways and often behind the scenes, history shows that traditional methods to get on commerical radio stations have been a type of pay-to-play. Especially when ownership of stations merged into large corporations. Just saying... Not that I'm justifying or supporting pay-to-play. Playlists have taken some of the roles and market from radio.

Absolutely, Artist's songs have to be good to get on playlists that have ability to reach the target audiences, especially for the major playlisters. So quality of sound and song is utmost. But many other pieces need to be in place. For most indies, they have to prepare to build. Developing, executing, tracking, analyzing and adjusting a plan to playlisting is really important, just like all strategic approaches for making money.

I know they're still out the but Spotify and other streaming platforms have policies: Any service that claims to offer guaranteed placement on playlists on Spotify in exchange for money are in violation of our terms & conditions, and they shouldn't be used

Move over talent scouts, there's another player in town - playlist curators. In the ever-evolving music industry, these tastemakers are making waves and changing the game. With the rise of streaming platforms, playlists have become a major driving force behind music discovery and success. Traditionally, talent scouts or A&R (Artists and Repertoire) reps were responsible for finding and signing talented artists. They scoured clubs, watched live performances, and listened to countless demos in search of the next big thing. However, with the power of playlists, this dynamic is shifting. Playlist curators have become influential gatekeepers who can make an artist's career. They carefully craft playlists that cater to specific moods, genres, or themes and have amassed a dedicated following of music enthusiasts. Being featured on a popular playlist can expose an artist to millions of listeners overnight. These curators have an ear for what resonates with listeners and can predict trends before they hit the mainstream. As their playlists gain traction and followers grow, they hold significant sway in shaping musical tastes and influencing industry decisions. While talent scouts still play a vital role in discovering raw talent through traditional means, playlist curators are becoming increasingly important in breaking artists into the spotlight. Their ability to spot emerging artists early on and give them exposure through curated playlists has revolutionized how new talents are discovered. Talent scouts have been a staple in the music industry for ages, but playlist curators have definitely carved out their own space in discovering new talent. With the rise of streaming platforms and curated playlists, these curators can introduce emerging artists to a wider audience. It's pretty amazing how this shift has changed the game for up-and-coming talents, giving them an opportunity to shine without relying solely on traditional means. So for being an aspiring musician looking to make it big or even an established artist wanting to reach new audiences, don't underestimate the power of playlist curators - they may just be your ticket to success in today's music landscape.

I think he could have gotten himself into "a follow me and I will follow you back" build mindset, or even one of the chain-letter type follower builds. I've often seen both on Twitter with indies, instead of a more organic growth. So as an artists, what you have, when looking at why it's not working, is a cluster-f* of people you're following and followers that aren't really interested in your music or you interested in theirs (if musicians).

Must admit, the same thing crossed my mind. So his approach could be that he just needs to clear the deck and start over.

Welcome to Songstuff, Elleborn!

I found this a very interesting tweet by a musician. I won't mention his name and have removed his specific info. I don't know his reasoning behind the Tweet, but for many reasons, I would have done it differently. My thoughts are, I definitely believe there needs to be a separation between your artists account and a peers account on social media platforms. I also think that during the development of songs, there is a risk showing the public how the "sausage is made", because It takes away the WOW factor. Developing your music, marketing and promotion strategies with other musicians input is what Songstuff is for So, here's my question. - If you have commingled your audience on your social media accounts, how would you separate your audience once you decided to do so? - How would you use your existing accounts to direct your fans to your website? - Would you stop using your social media accounts for your fanbase promotion and communication once your website was up and running? - Do you think following many accounts hurts you or helps you in building and keeping a fanbase? ************ Twitter account stats: Following: 66.3k. Followers: 466.1k Twitter Post: **Effective Immediately** Unfollowing EVERYONE on Twitter. The only accounts that will be whitelisted will be fellow artists, songwriters and labels that I know personally or have interacted with. Superfans will eventually be followed but ONLY if they are part of my exclusive community. If you would like to be part of my community, simply sign up on my website at http://****.*** it says "Mailing List," but make no mistake this isn't an ordinary mailing list. This is where we can build a more personal relationship. You will also get early access to concert tickets and merch deals, new music and well me! Its a better more exclusive fan community. Please follow on ****** for concert dates.

Welcome to Songstuff, Greg. What DAW did you get? We cover lots of aspects of the industry...Critiques, showcasing, discussions, production, marketing and promotion, etc.. You pick the music topic or start your own. Sounds like you have a goal for your music and that's a good start. Do you also do video work or just music? Peggy

Ryan, the lounge is an ok place but I'm going to move your topic to our Music Production and Recording board. https://forums.songstuff.com/forum/136-music-production-and-recording/ I use Avid's ProTools with a perpetual license. There are some other good DAWs but I started on ProTools and stayed with it. It's really a great product. Peggy