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that's interesting thoughts, thank you for reply. there is a study going on at York uni to see if if AI generated music is liked, the participants said the didnt like it, they said it lacked, emotion and sounded robotic. That is sure to change as AI gets more advance.

AI technology in music creation is very complex. It takes years of training and is more than just ' pushing buttons'. l know what you mean though when you say that, it can seem as simple as that. But Music AI is one of the fastest growing new industries and many fear it will take over the music industry as it advances, which is rapid. As far as i'm aware there is no status at the moment for a Music Artist to declare he uses AI to create his work. Some Artist do admit to using AI in their work, Foo Fighters are one of them. Im not able to find out which bands are using AI to create their work, as there is no date being collected. So when l see and listen to a song l like and l look to see who wrote the song, l have no idea if it was AI used. To me that's very wrong, Taylor Swift was asked about it in a round about way concerning her songwriting. She didnt answer fully , just said it was a 'damaging question' Why was it a damaging question to be asked if she uses AI in her songwriting ? As far as im aware ( please let me know if im wrong on this information) there is no data collected at the moment which large Artists are using AI to create their work or that they have to declare that their songs was written by AI and not them selves. If AI is used , lets say in a in a hit song, (which we know it must be as it's being used extensively ) there is no way of knowing how much of that song is AI generated, was it fully, partly or non ? question; is that right or wrong for the consumer not to know ? l would think AI is being used more than we know in the music industry as there is great interest in the technology. As you say it does the work of a songwriter, but faster. l was interested to read on the Complex website where a Artist of many years expressed his concerns about AI in the industry even though he uses AI himself extensively in his work. But he then said he was now looking for AI software that will use songwriting and the AI to make the full Artwork based on the emotions and moods it picks up from the song. So in other words he wont need design Artists for his AI made songs. l thought AI could already do that, but l think he was referring to human made songwriting and AI to do the Artwork production based on human emotion/moods. So another one less job in the industry ( can you see where im going in this theory ? ) AI is becoming a fast new Industry in Music, many embrace and l can see why. But it also brings a lot of other future problems. Here's a question for you buckoff , if AI is doing the work of songwriters.... Who owns the royalty rights ? The AI industry say it's not a problem. Some say it a ethical question/problem. I'm so interested to know what songwriters think.

What an incredible Artist. l love his work but i'm Empathic and l find it hard to listen to his lyrics sometimes as l feel his pain so much He's one of those people id love meet and sit next to at a dinner party, l'd have so many questions to ask him.

yeah, l questioned that as well as it didnt seem correct. So l looked up the source if the information. Apparently its on the renown trusted 'Complex 'website from a feature it ran on March 22 2023. it asks the question,'How will AI impact the future of music' ? one participant was Stephan Heinrich, CEO of mayit who says, quote : AI generated music will move access up to 90% Complex says it spoke to Artists, AI experts and music industry professionals to find out how AI impacts music in the coming years. its fascinating reading ,as many participants in the music world asks the very questions l ask.

l agree, we should look at AI as a every day tool. But it dos'nt mean we have to like it. AI is in fact changing me. l feel lm rebelling against AI and that l cant control what its doing to me . here's an example All my life iv had a passion for Art. l was told at an early age l had potential and had a chance to go to Art college even at a young age, but circumstances was against me, and l couldnt go,.But to my delight l went to Art collage many years later as a mature student to do my Btec Art Course. l was deeply disappointed. The young and mature Art students l found had no 'new' inspirations in their creativity. l also went to many new Art galleries and followed new Artists. l found the same thing, a lack of new creativity. Then came along AI in the Creative Arts. l was and still am mesmerized by it . But l dont 'like it' as l now seem to prefer the creativity that AI brings in Art ,that should be inspired by human creativity. l find l cant help worry about the future of the creative arts. l know im not alone in that thinking. Is AI good for the creative arts,? who knows, but at the moment im being enticed by it when l really dont want to, as l seem to not to be able to stop it enticing me in the very Creative Arts l love.

That's my worry because according to my research there is not yet a complete data collection of how much it is used in the Music Industry. There are University studies going on , York is one of them, but ( according to AI chat) to see if people like AI generated music, but im not confident it is fully being tracked as l asked it how much is it being used in the Music Industry and it replied 'it didnt know.' !!! l feel that music consumers are now getting so use to AI generated music that they prefer it ( im becoming one of them ) Many big bands admit to using AI as part of their music compositions. So l asked AI chat..' so will AI then replace and be indistinguishable from human composed pieces. its answer was..... 'Yes' it continued...'' Ai is becoming more and more advanced and it wont be long before a computor can be used to make new versions of every music genre that are indistinguishable from human composed pieces.] So l guess my concern is that we cant stop progress in all technology but in my opinion its moving far too fast, and my concern is its not being tracked enough to see where it will lead. We are told there are studies going on to see if consumers prefer it ( AI chat told me AI generated music accounts for 90% of all music) So if its 90% it must logical mean consumers are already preferring it or it would'nt be that high ! l remember a film called ' Demolition Man' l love that 'tongue in cheek' humor of the futuristic world and one section showed the characters listening to old time advert jingles, which they played over and over as they loved it to anything else on the music channels. lol l dont like AI technology and l dont like it being used in the music Industry but im a music consumer and l seem , at moment ,to be preferring it in my choice of music ( which l have no way of knowing if its on the tracks im listening to, but it must be a lot if its in 90% being used.) . and that makes me very sad.

That's really interesting thought's, thank you. AI chat replied to me that ' if AI composed music is prefered over music composed by humans, it could lead to a flood of mediocre indistinguishable unoriginal music.' l think the danger is that it is already being prefered over human composers Humans, as consumers ,are changing, and in my opinion, not for our own good. l asked AI chat, 'how much is AI used in the Music Industry today'? It's reply was ' it didnt know as it didnt have the data' !!! So who is going to collect and track the data if AI is'nt ?

One of my favorite bands My husband could'nt get tickets to see them, but seeing their tribute band in October who are extremely good, so i'm really looking forward to it.

That's really interesting John. I'm not yet sure which group l fall under yet. l intially disliked the concept of AI generated in the music industry, but after listening to some of it's creations i'm very impressed, some l do indeed like very much. l use AI a lot for my research studies. It's a tool that's very useful for me and it's so fast l feel l wish it was available years ago. But that brings me back to another question, ' Are humans getting lazy..too lazy' To me (talking about myself for creative work ) l think l would say yes. l actually wish it wasn't there for the music industry. l want to feel that the music i'm listening too has a human emotional side that l can connect to. l asked the AI chat' what do you mean' after it's first reply, here's what it said. 'It means that AI will not destroy music but rather change the way we create and consume it' so going back to humans fundamentally getting more and more lazy ( possibly) in the Creative Arts, will we all eventually prefer AI generated music. l hope not.

l asked my AI chat the above question. This is the reply l got. 'As AI becomes more advanced they will be able to compose music that is comparable in quality to that of human composers. This could potentially lead to a situation where AI composed music is preferred over music composed by humans, leading to a decrease in demand for human composers.' Question: what do you think AI is doing to the music industry and will it ' destroy human composed music' ?

l found one of my old Enya Albums that l had forgotten about, Dark Island. Been listening to it today, To me, Lovely lyrics. Great Album.

ContactMusic wrote in 2020 a list of Artists who wrote lyrics from poetry. The like's of Iron Maiden, Stevie Nicks, Joni Mitchel etc. Joni wrote her song 'If' purely from Rudyard Kipling's 1910 poem, with just a few of Joni's own lines. l love Joni Mitchel work. l know Kate Bush came from a musical family and her brother John was an established poet, so it must have all influenced her when growing up. Question..can a lyric writer have too much of an imagination ?

l feel iv got too much imagination when l write. l think it gets in the way of my lyric writing. It seems ok for my poetry but l get frustrated when trying to condense them into lyrics. l know what l want to say but it keep coming out a lot of the time too poetic. l used to be on a well established poetry forum for many years. l was told by the professionals there that l was good and that l should explore and expand my work and enter some of the sites competitions. l never did as it lyric writing l wanted to do. l got so frustrated l threw tons of poems, a novel, stories and childrens stories away when we moved. l so regret it now. l had sent some of my manuscripts off and l even had an editor phone me and we had a long discussion about my work. He told me to keep on writing as l had potential and said thats why he rang me. l have absolutely no writer's block for lyric ideas, it's just the imagery of the words keeps getting in the way too much. Because it's all there, in my head, l know there are good lyrics waiting to come out.

David Bowie was a prolific poetry reader. His early career and aspirations are very interesting reading. Also his ideas for writing lyrics are very interesting. He says he would put a group of single words into a box then take them out one at a time to make a sentence then keep re arranging them to make lyrics. l havent tried that yet, l think ll give it a go lol. Here's one of his lyric poetry work. David Bowie – Eight Line Poem Lyrics | Genius Lyrics

l agree, there are so many lyrical styles. l feel like you, l want to write ( and seem to write) with words that are very much ( or perhaps) with too much of my work open to interpretation. going back to Kate Bush song 'Misty' when l first listened to it l formed my interpretation of it, l was really shocked when l read up what her interpretation of it was when she wrote it. Her lyic writing can go from pure interpretations like' Army Dreamers ,Women's work or Babooshka ' to mixed interpretations of some of her other works. Led Zeppelin was the same. l like that form of lyric writing. l want to be left guessing. l dont like the' tell all' in lyrics. l like 'Iron Man' by black Sabbath. Its lyrics are not what they seem, very clever writing. l think that's where lyric writing and poetry can be so different. Poetry can be so precise but lyrics can ,if careful crafted, be open to interpretation and l like that. l love to read song reviews to get what journalist think the songs are about. Invariably they can be so different from mine, and l like that.

l wrote this poem in 2016. l still like it so iv decided i'm going to try and put it to lyrics. l know the lyric direction l want it to go, l want it less depressing lol, the challenge is to make it relatable. l'll work on it for a few weeks, if it's going nowhere, l'll put it back in it box lol. Shadow's Birth Moments lost in an empty room dreams returned to mothers womb understanding are just as dark it's shadow watched and leaves it's mark. But somehow light was always there it's gentle touch as l prepare to gather moments on pages white give shadows birth, blood ink l write. So shadows birth is joy to me it's prison chains can be set free celebrate it's gift it gave no moments lost or kept a slave.

One theme l seem to be reading about is Artists to go Independent, and to do their own promotions. Do as many gigs as they can to promote themselves. Sounds good advice but must be so hard without a trusted manager if they decide to get one. A good trusted record label seems to be getting harder to find. lv found that some record labels will smooth talk them , then give the say £500,000 with deal and the Artist forgets it just a Loan !! Plus the label expects the Artist to use the money on the people they recommend which invariably turns out to be people working for the record label !! So the loan is going back into the record labels pockets. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Has anyone on here had bad ( or good ) experience with a record label without giving names (we dont want lawsuits lol ) just their experience of dealing with them

yes, new Artist need to only deal with trusted people. l guess they need to start networking first with trusted friends. It must be so hard to get into the business from scratch. Iv just read on you tube a guy who has lost over a £1000 in the past and he still fell for a scam a few days ago and lost £60..then another asked for £250 registration fee, when then Artist asked for more detail and said he thought it was a scam they removed him by blocking any more contacts by email and phone !! l hope this discussion get more participants to exchange experience so Artists can help each other on a safe forum like this.

that sounds a nightmare. i'v not had experience like that but l can tell you of one experience that my hubby played on me after he went to a gig and l still have nightmare's over it. He went to see Alice Cooper and had front row and during the concert Alice's trick was to throw fake blood over the crowd. My husband got the full force of it !! He came home, shouted up-stair's to me to say he'd had a little accident and proudly came into the bedroom covered in the 'blood' My husband has blond hair and was wearing a white teeshirt and l cant tell you the shock l had, him standing there at the bedroom door covered from head to foot in 'blood' To this day l do not like Alice Cooper !!! ps, l didnt speak to my husband for a week after that either.

That's such good advice. and so true about to look out for scammers. l'm forever appalled how some in the music industry scam Artists, and sadly i'm reading it's getting worse. l wanted to open this debate for that reason. There are mountains of info on youtube about the scammers in the music industry and when l read the comments it was so sad to read how many new in the music business had indeed fell prey. They all said, 'do your homework on the business'. Sounds logical but l was shocked at how many didnt do that. l read in the comment on youtube how many were so scammed because they trusted too easily, They just had a dream and thought ' that's it' If only life was that simple. Many Artist of the past can tell us how they got ripped off. So my advice to new ones in the music business.. 'do your home work'

micro poetry Unaware. unaware of why, l find i'm in a cocoon encased by the silky threads of words in the safety of thoughts and feelings hoping to emerge into something quite beautiful.

l find the whole debate about lyric writing and poetry writing fascinating. To me the best songwriters are the ones who incorporate poetry in their work. Some do, some dont. And to my my mind the poetry in lyric writing is getting less and less nowadays. Perhaps that why l dont like much of todays music in the charts. Something just seems to be not be quite right about today's lyrics that are in the charts. I'm only mentioning those lyrics in the charts because they are the ones that are only getting the exposure. So l guess it's back to the argument of the music industry and their use of algorithm. To me, that's all wrong and it's making me sad. Is lyric writing a dying Art ? l dont think so ,but l do fear the algorithm in lyric writing is trying to kill it. But l know i'm not the only one who thinks it. The songwriter l aspire to is Kate Bush. She is to my mind a prolific poet. l find her lyric's are sensual poetry. Past songwriters were sensual songwriters, but l havent yet found any other lyric writer as sensual lyric writing as Kate. Her '50 words for Snow' album and the track 'Misty' is very sensual. As is lot of her other tracks. l have every one of Kate's albums, and i'm forever studying her work. l love to write poetry but l like to read music lyric more. In fact l read more lyrics than l read poetry. But i'm always looking for the poetry in the lyric's. l don't have to look very far in Kate's lyric writing. She's a genius. She has mastered the rhythm (and sensual) of the written word to music. Many poetry is sensual but she put it to music like l havent found in other songwriters. How does she do it, l wish l knew.

lol. great memory to hold on to. Closet my hubby came to Angus was in Birmingham Odeon 1979 when Bon Scot used to carry Angus on his shoulders and walk around the crowds playing his guitar. For some unknown reason my hubby decided to throw his kid brother at them and caught hold of Angus's guitar !! surffice to say the security guards were not happy !!! Hubby only just related this to me this morning.. so out of character, l wonder what else he's never told me lol. Anyway, he's asked me to ask you ' which one did you prefer, Bon Scott or Brian Johnson' . Hubby always said Bon Scott was the best but l prefer Brian Johnson.

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