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'Speak to me' track has a heartbeat sound at beginning that was recorded from the wife of a EMI employer, who was 9 months pregnant...

I'v just been reading about the time the band were sued by the students who sang on the track ' another brick in the wall'. The kids were 13-14 yrs taken from a music college and spent a week practicing their lines. They said it was great fun but were never paid lol. When older some decided to sue but didnt get anywhere.

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The Buggles said it best.. a study in the 'Native communications' said our collective attention span is narrowing... all because of Social Media. It's been effecting the music industry. Social Media is our instant gratification. It says' listeners simply will not spend time listening to an entire album or even 6 mins of a song to make their decision about an Artist. Muscianwave article dated 9, 2022 lists many problems one being that our attention span is shorter than ever, they said its 'all about the visuals.'

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That's really interesting, I'v been looking at the Blue Grass scene and it does appear it was males that did the music that came from the scot/irish culture that emigrated to US. l want to do some study on the history of songwriting, At moment it appears it was male dominated as they were the storytellers of old. I'm just puzzeld that it's still only 2% of females that are songwriters today. And its still only 27% of females in the music industry

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l agree , l think it is a great topic to explore, thank you for the reply and comments. l did start first being curious about how male and female perceive lyrics in music, did they interprete them differently ,like they do some times in spoken conversations. But then l came across the studies about how songwriting is mostly male in the music industry.. l think its only 2% for females so reported. Females have said they find record labels to have discrimination across the boards in the business. From lower pay to harassment to male dominated record labels. It got me thinking, is this something to do with how male and female interpret language. Males are mostly more direct, competative etc etc females are said to be more intutive, expressive, co operative etc etc so it got me thinking, if song lyrics are shown to be more along the lines of the female gender ( or percived by that to males) could that account for the unequal status in the industry. I'm sure it not that simple. I'm just reading a thesis written in 2022 by a guy who touches on that subject. So my question is, 'why is it so unequal in the music industry for males and females, as studies show it's not getting any better'

l think this is a important area that new ones in the music scene need to ask. In my opinion, the interaction between music artist and the followers has changed dramatically, l was watching last night a lot of Ren interviews that's on youtube. He is the new era of what is a happening and l feel will continue to happen in the music scene. What l mean is ,his connection he has with his followers. Just read what his followers are saying on all his youtube downloads, whether it's on his officla lchannel or other downloads from other people. l spent a lot of time last night reading their comments and it was so interesting. The theme through them all was 'thank you for your music and words, l feel you really understand me and know what im going through'. and that was the over whelming theme in all the comments l read, from kids to over 70 yr olds. l havent read comments like that any where else. Yes big Artist who spend millions on PR get big followers,' listening to the music and they will write on youtube such comments as' oh your lyrics really help me through my breakup etc etc. But somehow l feel they sound very shallow compared to what l read on The Artist Ren. l think he has brought about a new change in that regard, that he does actually 'feel' whats going on inside of all of us. l watched an interview of him where he sang his first song, he was very young, l think maybe 17 (he's now 33 l think ) The lyrics of that song was so heartfelt l had'nt read anything like that in a song lyric for a very long time. He absolutely poured his heart out and the comments replied as such. l dont think any PR can do that for a musician. Is it healthy for an Artist to bare his soul to his fans, l think it is and the time we are living in, l think the fans want it.

l was very curious about this topic today when l realized that a comment ( one word ) l made a while ago on the forum may be interpreted differently because it was made to a male from female, and so interpreted differently. l wasnt aware of that till l read their reply that l could see they read it from a male perspective. It was one word that l realized they saw it differently and yes l found out that it means different things to a male than from female perspective. It got me thinking, does that matter in songwriting ? I'm just reading about a study that was made at Californian Uni in 2022 showing how the male influence is much higher than females in the music industry. ( no study as yet on non binary genders) As of yet the music industry is still the domain of the male. What i'm curious about is 'how does song lyrics ( or even the music ) reflect the different interpretation seen/heard in male and females ? Would l interpret song lyrics from a female perspective only? Do you think that matters ? We all know that the music industry is made up more of males than females. A study shows its only 21% of females from musicians to producers etc etc. So it got me thinking about how much influence does this have on the listeners, and Is it more male or female listening ? and is that changing ? One word in a lyric ( and in everyday conversation ) can mean different things to different genders. I'm still researching this today but was wondering if anyone else has thoughts on this.

little green/grey men looking through me window..yep that happens Saturday nights lol l think artist underestimates the fans, the music consumers, their bread and butter that feeds them..far too long they 'have not' listened to them, they have listened to their managers, their producers etc that want to push the commercial side of them. l guess i'm looking at it only from my side, the consumer, and what l would like to see now, instead of all the commercialism , out to get as much money as they can get, side of the music business. And l think the fans are trying to let the music industry know now, as all that side of it cannot be hided any more with social media etc. All that was hidden before from fans is now being revealed and some fans dont like it and they are letting their views be known. And l l for one think it's about time. i'm on my soap box again lol, forgive me lol.

When l listen or researching a band l like ie interviews, l dont want to hear how they got together history etc, l want to hear how they get their inspiration for their Music Art. l want to hear how they plan to keep exploring that inspiration, how they want to keep moving forward so they dont stagnate in their Art. l want to know what area's they want to explore. l dont want to hear that they want to be famous , how they want to earn millions and have a big car lol.

l think there is such good advice being explored on this thread. But l think the whole idea of promotion terrifies some musicians. To me , that's where forums etc like this one is invaluable and should be used more by musicians. Going back to Ren, he has now a great team behind him. And because of that, he doesnt have the constraints of a massive record label. He is able to explore his own ideas more. l think indie Artists have that to their advantage, but some don't realize it.

l think another area for them to explore is making a blog. l know some would feel that doesnt seem like a worth while thing to do, but as for me being on the other-side ie a music consumer, l look out for those sort of interaction from a band l really like. It shows me they are not doing their music just to be millionaires ( if that's their reason, l can spot it a mile off in their Art !!) l think they need to really look into them selves early on in their music journey and ask them selves 'am l doing this for the Art , or for the money only' l can tell when a music artist loves his craft, it comes out in his work. Those are the ones who through hard work will be be noticed. l remember seeing a band, going on youtube , posting their music saying they want to be famous, saying they have lots of facebook / twitter followers, then putting video's of them selves only playing to friends and family. They didnt really love what they did, they didnt love the music Art, and l could tell right off , it showed in their music.... they really didnt love their Art. There is no short cuts to getting promotion, and if its a small band they have to do the graft of the promotion l'm afraid. If you love your Art, it will show in your Art. There is a guy called Ren, He is an example of someone who loves his Art. He got signed up by Sony very early on, but they dropped him when he became ill, He has'nt given up and he's gone viral on youtube etc. He hasnt given up because he loves his Art and he cant give up. But one thing l read about him is, he still likes to busk in Brighton, he says he loves the interaction with the public. He loves his Art and his work shows it. He does it not to be a millionaire, he does it because he loves his Art, and it shows.

Plagiarism is a hot top topic at moment concerning the music industry. a very well known multi millionaire Artist is being highlighted for her years of doing this and getting away with it. it's not new, it always gone on, but research is showing it's getting much, much worse. Research say because its so much easy to do now. The artist above is also known for taking other artists choreography, art work, fashion copying etc ...the list goes on. l was shocked how much they were doing it and getting away with it. Now the Artist is being called out and is called a 'soul less thief' !! Any opinions ?

As a music consumer, l would like to see more interviews coming from indie bands. l dont know why there are so few. They set up say a YouTube channel, put on their video's ( with lyrics if possible in my opinion ) but then they wonder why they dont get many follows. They get say loads of follows on X or facebook, but im not convinced they are true followers. Anyone can push the numbers up on there and it looks impressive. My sister in-law has massive follower numbers till l saw it was people like her hairdresser lol. l think youtube is a great platform for new bands to interact with potential new fans by taking the time to actually read the comments and reply and post quick interviews. Another way l think is worthwhile is using forums like this. If they think only musicians read these forums they are wrong, l think a lot of music consumers ( so possible new fans) are reading these forums as well !

l like this.. just subscribed to your youtube channel. where can l find the lyrics please ? edit; sorry l forgot to say welcome. l can see lyric's on yr other tracks on you tube except 'lost' and 'muse uprising'

lol, l know, and it's fascinating. and you mention the sounds humans hear, all around them ie animal kingdom etc. l dont think there is any sounds from the animal kingdom that l find un- pleasant. l notice them all the time. In fact l like all sound..l often just go outside and sit and listen to the sound from the large tree we have in our garden when the wind is blowing the leaves. l love it. l remember there was a study done years ago that said the world economical situation had an effect on what people wanted to listen to in the music industry. At difficult times, the people didnt want sad songs, logical l guess. But here's a question.. if a lyric writer writes a sad song, from his experiences he's had, does that reduce his chance of it getting it 'heard' if the a) world events at that time is a factor on who will listen, and b) whether he has the right music to go with his lyrics, which studies show will give happy or sad reception ?

Yes, l agree, perception is everything in the words of a song. What l found interesting is that there has been very little scientific study on effects of song lyrics, but loads of studies on effects of music. Music therapy is big in treatment for metal health now, as its found to help patients. Studies show that listening to music lessens pain plus studies show it gives 9% rise in dopamine. But what l found so interesting in ,was a study in 2011 found how much music effects v song lyrics. They did a study and found if volunteers listened to sad music plus sad lyrics, the volunteers felt sad, but, if they listened to happy music but still sad lyrics, they volunteers felt happy The researchers couldnt account for why that was. Kings College London Professors Sally Marlow said Quote; 'l think that instinctively we all know that music can make us feel better. l think the really interesting question is 'Why' -end quote. she said research has shown that music can be uplifting and drumming reduce depression. so what about song lyrics. l myself think they are very important. Well, they are to me. and that's where l find it so interesting because l once asked my husband ,who also listened to a lot of music'' is the lyrics important to you' he said no !! if fact when he buy a new album, its the music he listen too first, and then the lyrics later, l found is that he reads them much later, in fact it could be months later. Not me, when l buy a new album, l go immediately to read the lyrics, in fact l find l cant connect with the song unless l read the lyrics at same time. so it appears that my husband is a hearing person, and i'm a visual person. So l guess songwriters fall into that category as well. Are they a hearing person or a visual person. going back to Kate Bush' Misty' I guess some would say, her fantasy she had when she wrote 'Misty' has a deep unconscious meaning. But it does make me wonder that if her track' Misty' ( which has a very sad melody) was given a happy melody, would l have come to a different conclusion of the lyrics meaning. According to studies, happy music with sad words will give happy feelings ! 'Misty 'has a sad melancholy music with melancholy lyric= fans find it a sad song, which kate bush says the song has no meaning, its just a fantasy. well all l know is that music, any music , sad or happy, with or without lyrics, helps reduce my physical pain, so researches got that right.

That's so interesting. The big question, why do songwriters write songs? l remember reading about an interview about Kate Bush being asked 'why did she write a song called' Misty' one of my favorite tracks of hers. l was shocked by her answer. she said she had no interpretation of it. She said it was just a made up fantasy. She said she was herself surprised at the different interpretations listeners made if it. ie that it was about desire., or loss, or death etc. She said the song was just fantasy. l always thought the song lyrics was about her relationship with her husband or a different partner and about the feelings of loss she felt in that relationship. l was more convinced it was about that when l read she had had a difficult emotional time with past break up with a partner that was combine at the same time with the loss of her mother, So when l read that, l was sure that my first thoughts on the song lyrics were right. Then l read her interview and she said it had no meaning, it was just a fantasy written song lyrics. l remember feeling very shocked at that. Then l thought, yes, we all can interpret song lyrics in different ways. It made me more interested in why humans write songs. Psychology , yes. But to me, it the infinite question of what mankind has always wanted to know, of ' Why'

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my husband has seen them quite a few times, at Donnington + Bham NEC and Bham NIA where David Coverdale was ill , had to go off stage about 3 times, then he apologised and told audience he could'nt carry on. He's just got back from the live tribute gig, Band called Whitesnake's Journey. They played first song Deep Purple 'Burn', then Whitesnake songs, then Journey, says brilliant night

Somewhere in this crowd is my husband and my daughter, He took her last year for her wedding anniversary. He's off tonight to see their tribute band and i'm unable to go so i'm having a Whitesnake day

welcome Dave. very nice album, lovely voice. l really like the lyrics. working me way down the tracks. l like the lyrics to ' time to move away' very nice arrangements on your album.